Schneider on Wilson

If the team can stay healthy this will look like a smart move.If we have injuries at the position Schneider will look like a fool.

Is this an indication that resigning Wilson was not going to happen because he doesn't fit the prototypical Carroll CB? Wilson said himself on the radio that he'd rather be here than in Baltimore. I can only see this improving our team if Wilson has no interest in resigning here, or wants too much money..but I've read nothing to indicate that.

I'm still disappointed in this move. But it is done.

The men at the top know what they are doing. Believe in that or we as fans are sure to fail.

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I like Josh, he'll do fine but even in the Baltimore paper he's touting his return to the area. Unrestricted next year we'd get nothing for him - this year we pick up an extra pick for next year. Picks are bargaining currency for next year. That's pretty valuable and JW had flurries of success but nothing really sustained. A weak return for investment beats no return for investment...

Keep in mind the no. 2 WRs in our division aren't top notch. Jennings can handle those guys.

By the way some of you are talking, it looks like Wilson was the key for us to making a playoff run! He was a starter on of one of the worst secondaries in the league last year. And, for every play Wilson made, there were plenty more easy receptions for the opposing offense.

This is probably more about people hating Jennings than it is about people loving Wilson. Granted, the animosity toward Jennings, a former first rounder, is mostly deserved ...

Aaron W hit the nail on the head here. Wilson on our team = not very good secondary. If they think they have the equivalent player already on the team who is younger, cheaper and matches up better with bigger WR why is this a bad thing?

I do question the 4th round pick if he plays a lot. Seems like if he is going to start for Baltimore he should be worth more.

We can get by with average corners if we can get a pass rush going. We need help at DE and are going to need help at several other spots to really compete. Wilson isnt that big of a loss. I would rather have Washington returning anyways.

"By the way some of you are talking, it looks like Wilson was the key for us to making a playoff run!"

No.

In straight up coverage skills Wilson and Jennings are about equal.

Wilson has six interceptions for three touchdowns in 40 career games. Jennings has one interception in 64 career games.

Wilson has two sacks and three forced fumbles, Jennings has zilch and one.

Wilson has 94 kick returns for a 25 yard average and one touchdown in his career. Jennings has zilch.

Wilson is not a great corner but he is obviously more valuable to any team at this moment in time than Jennings. So Wilson will be a free agent at the end of the season? Worst case is that you get another year out of him and then lose him in exchange for (drumroll) a compensatory pick. They're throwing away a year of football for a mess of pottage.

It looks like neither of them are in the long-term plans of the team, but one of them will have to play for at least another year while you get some minimally competent corners on the roster. If the choice is either (1) Wilson or (2) Jennings plus some pitiful amount of draft value it's inexcusable not to choose Wilson.

Pete Carroll is a football guru. We can still be the best of the worst in our weak division.
8-8 will win the West.

Roy Lewis or Walter Thurmond.... there is at least 25 thousand people in the puget sound area that would beat out Jennings for a position on this team.... that said..........STOP WITH THE SMURFS.... Desmond Trufant is going to be even better than Marcus... Desmond and Marcus, same field same time

Jennings has always been an engima. The guy actually covers pretty well in terms of blanketing a receiver. However, he always seems to give up the jump ball, falls down, picks up a nitpicky PI or puts his hands up without seeing the football to have it go through right into the receivers hands. The guy has absolutely no ball skills or presence and unfortunately those skills can't be taught, Josh seemed that be exceptionally gifted in that area, which also resulted in him getting out of position too much. I suppose if Schneider knew he had no plans for Josh after the season than this move seems reasonable. I just don't think he would have cost that much and would be an awesome nickel with thurmond and tru on the outsides.

We are luck to get a 5th/4th pick for him as he will surely be gone in FA.

Those picks, next year, will be worth his loss of productivity. Jennings has been exploited on a defense that has no pass rush, playing cover instead of man on man & bump and run.

Seriously, it was a close competition for starter and we mad a future investement move getting value where we can.

Brilliant nutsy move by the front office. It takes balls to make hard decisions. You don't get better by being short sided and playing the marginal player you have and getting no future value out of him over the other marginal player you have and an extra pick next year.

I agree with Gnarley! Why keep a guy who was being outplayed in the preseason, was known for getting burned often, does not fit the scheme the team is working towards, and will be a UFA after the season which means we would simply lose him or overpay to keep him?

On top of all that he has been a corner stone to one of the worst secondaries in the NFL. So will you people quit with the "a 4th or 5th is not enough" junk, nobody I mean nobody is going to give anything better for a player like that!

Another thing, quit with the Jennings talk, nobody wants him that's why he wasn't traded instead,

"quit with the Jennings talk, nobody wants him that's why he wasn't traded instead"

So we are a better team this year?
Or is Baltimore a better team this year?

If Wilson had a halfway decent year -- not spectacular, mind you, but halfway decent -- then bolted for free agency he would have netted roughly a fifth round compensatory pick for the Seahawks, give or take. They gave away a year of his career for more or less nothing. So again, why keep Jennings over Wilson? Wilson is not great but he is clearly more valuable than Jennings. So assuming you need to keep one of the vets at least one more year why not Wilson? Well?

It was not a question of Jennings or Wilson. It was trade Wilson or keep both and cut someone else. Why are people trying to throw the two onto an even trade scenario? Also, the computation for compensatory picks is quite complicated so there is no guarantee we would get anything...especially if we pick someone else up in freeagency next offseason, which I really hope that they do. They would cancel each other out. I think Thurmond is going to be better than Wilson ever was and this will be a mute discussion in a couple months.

C'mon, do any of us study film and spend the hours that GMs and Head Coaches do evaluating talent? If you do, you must be on the Seahawk payroll and have a keen eye for football evaluation. I doubt any of us are. If you think that Carroll and Shneider will turn this around in 1 year you all are fools, or drinking the Kool-Aid that I haven't discovered yet. This new foundation is just being set. Sit back and realize that we have 2 maybe 3 years before we are back on the national stage. Until then enjoy the games and the gradual climb up the win column. So while our 'Hawks rebuild.....GO HUSKIES!

"It was trade Wilson or keep both and cut someone else."

Why couldn't you cut Jennings?

"Why are people trying to throw the two onto an even trade scenario?"

I for one am not. I would have preferred to see Wilson kept and Jennings cut. Jennings has no trade value that I'm aware of, though according to the Seahawk GM the Ravens, who know a thing or two about defense, were quite interested in Wilson.

"the computation for compensatory picks is quite complicated so there is no guarantee we would get anything"

Right, and there is no guarantee a fifth rounder will even make the roster, much less be a positive difference-maker. If Schneider had managed to coax a third rounder out of a team that supposedly was aggressively pursuing the deal that would be one thing, but a paltry fifth? When the other party is supposedly showing "aggressiveness" for Wilson? Pathetic.

Usafanarc has it right on the comp pick possibly being offset. Also, a comp pick would be received in 2012, whereas the traded pick is 2011.

The impact this year will probably be negative. Thurmond won't quite be at 100% coming off his injury, and I don't expect Jennings to suddenly start making plays. What does that mean? If your prediction before the trade was that the Seahawks would go 8-8, you're upset now. If your prediction was that they could go 9-7 and make the playoffs, you're really upset. If your expectation is that they'll win 5 to 7 games, then you can live with it.

I'm in the last group - Carroll only improved USC from 5-7 to 6-6 his first year. Use this year to find some young guys that might be part of the future, and throw them into the fire. If there are some guys that you're pretty sure won't fit, then phase them out. It'll hurt this year, but you'll be better off for it next year. It surprises me that Wilson's part of the latter group, but if they say so then it's so.

Does this make us a better team this year? No. But if Thurmond and Lewis get significant playing time this year then our secondary will be that much more experienced next year, as opposed to if Wilson started this year then was let go after his contract expired.

The whole "Keep Wilson let him go after the year and get a compensatory pick is flawed"

Heres a brief description of a compensatory pick - ""compensatory picks," are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks."

We would not receive a compensatory pick if we signed more free agents than we lost and we would only recoup a 7th rounder if we signed as many players as we lost and the players we lost were valued higher.

a 4th/5th pick is more than sufficient for Wilson. Quit whining.

Personally, I was hoping for a couple of 1st rounders, McGahee and Oher for a guy who couldn't clearly beat out Jennings for the starting corner position.

Just like moving Red to End, and Sims to the Lions, there's only so much a good coaching staff can do to adapt their scheme to personnel before they need to replace someone. Jennings, Thurmond and Roy Lewis were showing enough in coverage to make Pistol expendable, as Leon and Golden are both good kick returners, and we have the size, speed and shiftiness in the Offensive skill positions to effectively evaluate DBs.

That said, I'm sorry to see him go, as he was a bright spot in an ocean of suck the last couple of years.

I might submit that this was yet another failing of Ruskell's flawed reasoning: Bring smart, high character guys in, and they will adapt just fine into whatever scheme you want to run.

Jennings was all man/bump and run and Wilson was all zone before they got here, and both were asked to play what they had never played before at any level. Then move Curry to the opposite side of the field from where he earned his 4th overall selection in the draft, put Branch into Holmgren's WCO, find the best drive blocking line coach in the league in Mike Solari and have him coach the ZBS, and on and on. No wonder we fell off a cliff since 2005.

Frankly, I love that we aren't afraid to cut or trade Ruskell's high picks for minimal compensation in favor of those that can actually do the job required. Red Bryant was a 3rd round pick, and he took (undersized, high character) 1st rounder Lawrence Jackson's spot. SC won 8 games last year with Uncle Pete starting a freshman QB. We will have a better record than last year based on competition alone (what was the big personnel news this time last year? Brian Russell finally cut?), and add a few more wins on top of that due to creative playcalling and effective clock management, and it's at least playoff contender time.

Tim Ruskell was supposed to be such a fine judge of NFL talent. Yet all of us who howled when he refused to take a lineman above the fourth round, all of us who howled when he refused to sign a single WR with size or speed and when he continued to draft WR's as low as lineman, or when he dumped players like Morris and Weaver for players who "fit the system" such as Duckett and Jones, all of us who inisted he was wrong....well, guess what?! We were right and he was wrong. Dead wrong.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist or 10,000 hours of game tape to see some things. It was obvious to everyone with eyes Weaver was a fine player who's blocking had vastly improved (funny thing is, all our FB's since have been worse blockers), it was pretty obvious our stable of late-round a FA WR's werent ready for primetime, and it was obvious the ZBS wasnt going to make our sow's ear talent lineman into silk purses.

Just as its obvious that Kelly Jennings will never be a solid nickel back or starter, just as its obvious that Wilson is worth more than a fifth (or fourth) round pick to a desperate team with Super Bowl aspirations like Baltimore.

1) Wilson is FAST 2) WIlson is tough and strong and a sure tackler. 3) He will likely have a long career, barring injury, as he trains hard, practices hard, and smaller CB's often have longer careers, at least from what Ive noticed. 4)Baltimore wasnt going to find a better cb available for less than a kings ransom and 5) They werent going to have a prayer of attaining a Super Bowl without a qauality cb.

Fifth round picks, and fourth rounders, usually dont make the team after a year or two. Most fail. Few turn into solid starters. Yet we gave up Wilson for a fifth. Add to that the fact that Washington isnt as fast as Wilson and still seems bothered by his leg injury, and you can see we got worse at kick returner as well.

Compensatory picks aside, it wasnt a good deal on our end. Consider a couple years ago that in order to get the totally worthless Keary Colbert, Ruskell had to give up a fifth rounder to Denver--and Colbert was the best WR we could get for that price. So Wilson is worth only what Colbert was?!

Wilson frustrated me constantly, but he had a nose for the ball like Babs in his prime, and he loved to tackle. Jennings cant tackle anyone. Thurmond and Lewis arent ready to outplay Wilson yet. I would have been fine with resigning WIlson or letting him go after this year over a fifth, but oh well. Carroll and company must be quite sure they will be able to find a good backup/starter in the fourth or fifth round.

Im also aware Wilson had been having a poor preseason and was getting burned far too often. But him playing that badly is a flash in the pan, the same as Jennings playing aggressive and looking good: from time to time it happens, but it isnt real.

But Caroll and Schneider didnt feel Wilson fit thier mold, and so they dumped him. I have never, ever agreed with that attitude: football players make plays. Obviously their molds arent set in stone, or they wouldnt have taken Golden Tate.

Ruskell had that one right: if a guy makes plays, his size is irrelevant. However, as we saw with Branch and Tatupu, other factors need to be considered. Branch faltered due to injuries, yes, but also because Matt isnt accurate enough to find a little dude on the kinds of routes they had him running--it worked with Engram in the slot, not so much for the Fl. Tatupu did highlight real stuff his first couple years, then offenses started accounting for him and sending a guy out to block him and take him out of the play. ALso, Hawk coaches quit letting him guess and freelance, and added to the fact that he's slow and small and you have a fading player who will never achieve such heights again. So more has to be taken into account than just measurables, or even production in college.

Wilson is bigger and stronger than Jennings and could have learned to play press coverage. Watch him do just fine with Baltimore. To me, its more a matter of coaching than it is Wilon's height.

Well, its over and done. Caroll and company at least seem to have a vision and are implementing it. I dont see how this trade makes us better, just as the Whitehurst trade doesnt seem to have made us THAT much better. Whitehurst was simply overpriced insurance. But Caroll has made lots of good decisions so far, thier draft was awesome, and they appear to have the team headed in the right direction. Some misteps are bound to happen.

Carroll and Co have a different approach than Timmy Boy did. They like bigger, faster, harder hitting guys in the secondary. ET (Earl Thomas) may not have been big, but his is fast and hard hitting. Thurmond and the other new DB's won't be like David and Goliath when they cover opposing WRs.

As we found out the hard way, despite a few well publicized encounters won by the "David," "Goliath" usually wins the battle.

Ruskell consistently drafted undersized players. It looks like he was wrong about size not mattering. IT DOES.

The young guys will play and get experience.

STTBM, you aren't qualified to call this a miss-step. Sorry bro, you are overreaching on the value of your opinion on the matter. This decision is what we call sixes. Six to on, half the dozen to another. Add the potential 4th rounder if Wilson gets the required playing time and its an easy call.

DB's at Wilsons skill level and experience, are not worth more than we got. That is apparant by the value he brought, even during a specific teams' time of need.

We seem to try to ever think what goes on behind the scenes. Sometimes the truth really is apparant, obvious and what the front office says. The two were neck and neck, the new young guys are worth keeping, fit the scheme and need playing time.

Wilson did make the team better, by garnering a draft pick next year. When we have an extra 5th, maybe 4th, we are going to love having it w/ no third.

Remember, Patriots have been known to win superbowls, by trading away star players for picks. Wilson's not even a star palyer. This is a good thing.

maybe they have a move in the mix to pick up Revis, shock the world

Let's correct a few things here.

You aren't assured of getting any particular pick from a lost free agent, but you are assured of getting a certain amount of compensatory value for that player. That value may not end up being much, but then neither is a fifth rounder. Again, they are throwing away a year of Wilson's career in exchange for maybe a tiny amount of draft value.

Now please look at the recent history of trades. You'll notice a pattern; players that aren't wanted anymore generally are exchanged for fifth round picks. But that's not what Carroll and Schneider said happened here. They said that Baltimore came aggressively after Wilson. To have a team aggressively pursue a player and then only get from them the same compensation you would get for an unwanted player is pathetic. P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C.

And what's all this retrofitting of history now that Wilson's gone? He already had an interception and a 54 yard kickoff return in just limited action in three preseason games. Whatever his faults he had already provided a couple of "big plays". Wilson had value when you factor in those things, but he was given away for almost nothing. Sad.

to disagree Steve? It is clear we are not going to see this differently, and thats ok. There no award for being right or wrong about the move - and even if there were, we won't be able to validate the move until after next years season.

It does appear our FO does value 4, 5, and 6th round picks. Personally, I find that refreshing (Wilson move aside) and like to see more homework done in the scouting side for these positions. We got some very nice value in these rounds this year, even though the contribution of those individuals is TBD this year.

Regardless of the side of fence we land on, it is telling and interesting to see how our current FO, views the value of the previous regimes work and key players. I'm ok w/ a new approach, as the previous regime didn't exactly excite me in the results department.

Go Hawks.

All the comments about a 4th/5th rounder wont be on the team etc please remember TR is not in charge any more. This move give our young higher risk picks, you know, the guys coming off ACL surgery the chance to play and get better. Next years pick will likely net another guy with a perceived high ceiling not the safe pick like years past that is what they are and likely wont ever be any better than projected.

I think the Green Bay model which we are attempting to meld with Pete's USC model is to keep your roster full of young (and cheap) athletic guys who are competing for a roster spot and only pay big money to actual star players. Wilson was good but not a star.

Maybe one of the young guys ends up better, maybe not but at least we are trying to find great new talent instead of playing it safe with a average player.

D-line is way more important than CB's anyways. Get a pass rush and suddenly your corners are world beaters. No pass rush and even the best corners look average at best.

"In my opinion, we're not trying to patch this thing, we're trying to build it. If you patch it, you won't advance as fast as you want to."

This stands out to me more than the Wilson discussion and has me even more excited at our prospects. Over the past four seasons or so, the previous coaching and front office crews did so much patching that the team looked more like quilt than a team. Bringing someone in to fill a roster gap is one thing, but they rarely had the foresight to solidify the future of that slot (see Walter Jones).

I don't get why everyone is doggin' the 4th/5th rounder pick. Oh wait, it's Tim Ruskell's fault. Just cus Timmay couldn't find value there doesn't mean that a lot of other GM's can't. In fact, finding guys in those rounds is how you build a competitor. That's why the Seahawks fell so far.

Gnarly--The only people qualified are the ones who end up being right. YOure no qualified to agree with Caroll's move than I am to disagree with it.

The Patriots did not win Super Bowls by trading star players for fourth/fifth round draft picks. Nor by trading solid fast cb's for fourth/fifth rounders. The won Super Bowls by having excellent coaches, drafting well, by trading aging starters for first, second, and third round picks, and by picking up other teams cast-off aging vets who fit thier system; smart guys that had lost a step (Seau, Harrison, etc).

Point is, they didnt make their team loads better by loading up on fourth and fifth round picks. They traded a fourth for Moss, which was the trade of the decade, and then traded some aging vets for high picks, then, more importantly, they traded down. And unlike Seattle, who got jack for trading down, the Pats get second round picks for doing that. THey have had a disgusting ammount of second rounders the last couple years.

We're not going to build this team in the fifth round. Dexter Davis' type players wont win us the Super Bowl. (We really could have used any number of players that went in the third round this year, and they would have helped us a lot more than Whitehurst).

ANd what would Baltimore have done in a couple weeks if we'd told them to stuff it, Wilson was only gonna be traded for a third? They'd have caved, especially after thier secondary gave up 500 yards in the first game and they started out 0-1.

As for quals, who's the "we" in your comment about six of one, half dozen of another? Do you really think we're gonna find a player of Wilson's caliber in the fourth or fifth round?! I'd say its unlikely.

AaronW--As for Timmay! not finding value in the later rounds, thats silly: his best picks were his late rounders. Still, few end up being a solid player like Wilson, whcih is the point.

STTBM, apologies, didn't mean to suggest, I was qualified - I'm not

Fair points on the Pats, my reference, is that it's ok to trade away talent, regardless of how high the talent is, if you get picks and have more flexibility on draft day. I'm assuming our approach is the same, and one day - we may be in a position to trade big name players for really high picks - like the pats do.

Yes, I do think we are going to find someone of Wilson's caliber. I think he's over rated by Hawks fans - for whatever thats worth. I also think we have his replacement on the roster, who will be better, and who was found in the fourth round. My only reason for confidence in my opinion, is that the FO obviously feels the same way. I go down w/ the ship on this one if they are wrong.

first off, the most Wilson would get in comp pick would be a 7th if anything. the difference from the 5th to where the 7th would be is ~70+ players. that's a huge difference talent wise. JS and PC have both made comments all along that they want bigger CB's and 5'9" isn't cutting it.

I agree that where it stands Wilson was the best CB outside Tru, but we are setting ourselves up to get NOTHING for him at the end of the season. Thurmond has shown to be very solid and appears to be 100% at this point. He doesn't seem hesitant and I'm all for giving him the starting position. I'm sure Jerry Gray had his 2 cents about it and if he wasn't on board I'm sure they would respect his decision.

We had a very solid draft this year. Let's not forget that Thurmond was a 4th rounder and that they are very high on McCoy (6th round) and Davis (7th round) so saying the talent isn't there is ridiculous. I personally am really high on Chancellor (5th round) and have liked what I've seen from him.

Bottom line is that Jennings nor Wilson were/are in the new staff's plans for the future. that said, getting something for Wilson as opposed to nothing but miss-matches for another year is probably more of a positive.

my uneducated guess is that there were probably 2 options regarding Wilson: 1) keep him, allow Jennings and co. to challenge for the starting job (which appears to be closer than most think) and get nothing for him this coming offseason, or 2) get a 5th for him and throw the new guys into the mix and hope you hit on Thurmond and try to get something (or just cut) Jennings in the offseason.

If Thurmond or anyone else pans out they look like geniuses and if they miss on this deal then that's okay to because he never fit in with their future plans anyways. I don't see too much downside to this.

Lets not forget that Wilson isn't a good bump and run corner. he's a coverage corner and played it all through college. Jennings was the complete opposite and is less of a coverage corner and more of a pressure corner. Wilson doesn't fit well in the style of coverage PC wants to run anyways. How many guys bust because they are in the wrong system then flourish when used appropriately? It happens EVERY YEAR in the NFL. I'm not necessarily making a case for Jennings (as I want Thurmond to start anyways) but I do think that Jennings might have a better chance and Wilson may have struggled in this new scheme. Again, we don't know all sides of this story, we don't get to see these guys as intimately in the actual scheme and the staff and all we have to go on is preseason games where they aren't going to lay down but a fraction of the defensive package. I for one will stick with PC who is a defensive guru and JS who is among the elite in dominating a draft and building a winning team through it. All I can say is that what he has done in GB is enough proof for me.

Quit being blind by the "BIG PLAY" ability. I would rather have a corner , who makes consistent defensive stops, then a CB who makes the occasional pick 6 but is burned 70 percent of the time. I love wilson, i hated the trade when it happened. the more time is goin by , i came to the realization that we got the better end of this deal. Once i heard the news break of this trade i looked all over espn for it , no where to be found.

our personal opinion on players is way more farfetched then a new regime comin in and cleaning house.

ANd for as much as i hate jennings, jennings makes more boring stops then he gets burned. I will take Jennings 2 mishaps a game at most (PI , Fallin Down, etc) with his 40% success rate at stopin guys and a 4th round pick then Wilsons possible one big play a game with a 25 % stop rate

CTS--Problem is, Jennings cant press or bump anyone larger than a toothpick in the NFL. In college yes, but WR's are far less advanced and arent the insanely strong beasts he faces here in the NFL (esp. in the NFC West). Wilson had the strength and mass to learn press coverage, whereas Jennings is as big as he can get without HGH/Roids..he's maxed out; and he's still too weak to stop anyone over 6' and 190 lbs.

I think Wilsons poor preseason doomed him. His lack of size allready made him a liability in Carolls system, and his regressive play didnt help matters. To me, it looks like Caroll and Schneider had allready decided not to resign Wilson at the end of the season, regardless of his play this season, so thats why they jumped at the chance to trade him.

The bad thing about that is Wilson has played well in the past, for several years. Meanwhile, they seem to think they can turn the sows ear Jennings into a silk purse: well, last preseason Jennings made some plays too, only to suck major in the real games. Look for more of the same this year...

Ok, GnarlyHawk, no problem. I make no bones about the fact that Im simply a fan. I have no special insight on player evaluation, I just bring logic and 25 years of rabid football fandom to the table...like most everyone else here!

One thing about this preseason is that Caroll and company are keeping us well-stocked with fodder for the discussion. They keep making personnell moves, which keeps our tongues wagging and fingers typing...at least its interesting! You sure as hell cant say its been a boring offseason/preseason; in fact, even if you hate Caroll and what he's up to (and how could you?!), its been a hoot!

Go Hawks!

And you know, Ive been bitching for larger corners and recievers for ages...now if only Caroll would fix the line and bring in a real stud RB I think I'd pass out....

Still think we should have made them throw in McGahee and just taken their fifth. THAT would have improved the team. Then Jones could retire!

Hey, if Jennings starts all year and then we let him go in free agency, we may get a compensatory pick! ;-)

You can trade multiple fourth round picks for lower picks. Or in combination for, oh say a bigger move. The FO would not trade a player they were sure would start and that their team couldn't live without. They surely already had other options at cb already in the mix and this opportunity fit their plans.

The sentiment that they undersold is naive. But some cynical fans just want to be mad because despite certain flaws we ALL (nearly) liked a player we just said goodbye to. The gut reaction that is voiced so loudly and often is predictable.

It was widely acknowledged by draft "experts" (whatever that is) that Thurmond surely would have gone much lower if he wasn't injured. Schneider has gone so far to say that he thinks Thurmond was one of the best corners in that draft. So far the injury isn't worrying them enough to have him in the mix as a rookie opening day. They wouldn't just say Thurmond is the starter as a rookie without breaking him in, but surely all signs from Schneider have pointed to this all along.

I miss Wilson, I like him, but this move makes good sense to me. And liking him doesn't equate to preferring a new move to the future with Thurmond. Hopefully Jennings is a stop gap until Thurmond is fully ready but probably will be in competition for starting cb/nb with him and Cox.

Also, Sttbm mentioned keeping wilson around for a few weeks to make them sweat then trade him. And waste a valuable roster spot and cut another young guy to try and squeeze a higher draft pick that wouldn't happen out of a trade? Bad idea. Cutting to 53 players is tough and any one you release could get snatched up quick. They traded him when they did so they could use that extra roster spot. Don't forget opportunity cost: Keeping Wilson doesn't just cost a 4th pick we could get for him, but also whatever young player we need to cut to keep him.

Do completely agree that Weaver was a great FB and we haven't looked nearly as good since he left. Wish we had him this year.

No one is considering that trades happen for many reasons other then who is the better athlete, player.

Josh made some comments on the Hawk blog that raised my eyebrows a little. Thought he was picking on Tate, who else is he gonna say he "owns" . Raised a red flag as I know Golden was trying to get his confidence up.

Josh was not short on confidence, what I loved about him but he was not going to be here. If he plays the season for Ravens it is a 4th, not bad. If he does not fit in or play better then he did here a 5th.

Their maybe politics involved also. I know it is a business, but most of all I am happy for Josh Wilson, said his wife is already packing lol. If he is as good as some feel it is a 4th..

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