Whitehurst a Seahawk

Notice to Matt: You are now in competition for a starting job.

This has to be the dumbest trade I have heard in a long time. Like I said earlier, why do the Hawks always overpay? (contact and trade value)

JS and PC have really stuck their neck out on this one.

there is no way 60 will get it done for marshall now. i was very skeptical about 40 being enough anyway.

I think the flowing locks of hair in his ESPN photo are worth at least a 3rd rounder all alone then you add the potential to be a decent starting qb and the staff may be on to something.

This will be a interesting offseason.

So we are moving down 20 picks. And giving up a 3rd rounder, why couldnt it be a 4th or 5th? I mean hill was traded for a 7th..How about wallace? he was a 4th. I mean what has whitehurst prove that hill and wallace hasnt?

NFL free agency is a poker game. The Hawks are the fish at the table. Worst trade of the offseason right here!

Well Wallace proved he wasnt our long term answer at QB and Whitehurst hasnt proven that yet.

...well he wasnt born with it i guess but he has them now, haha.

i dont know, i just hope he is good. its a high price to pay for a guy who has never thrown an NFL pass

Wow...what a strange trade. That's a lot to give up for a team's third QB. My faith in the new FO is quickly eroding...

this is the most stupid trade this offseason. As already stated we way overpaid for a player that has never played a game in the NFL!!!!!

I am not happy, we should have just gotten away with swapping 2nd round picks, or trading 3rd round in 2011 and 5th round in 2010!!!!

What a huge RIP OFF!!!!!!

call the cops, i think we just got taken advantage of

At least this means we won't be wasting our #6 pick on Clausen (i hope)

@ CP, so because Whitehurst hasn't proven anything is the reason we give up so much? It works both way he hasn't proven he is worth 5 million a year and 20 spots in the 2nd round AND STILL a 3rd rounder!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE WAS TENDERED AT THE 3rd Round LEVEL!!!!! Yet we were still able to give up more than that! WOW! GO PETE CARROLL!!!!!!!

Where is Jim Mora!

Whitehurst has all of the tools to be a solid QB in the NFL, he has just been sitting behind one of the better QBs in the league for the past few years. I think Whitehurst is a lot like Matt Schaub, both in skill set and in draft situation. This could work really well for him and Seattle.

There is no way you can spin this to show Hawks got value. I thought this new leadership group were football people. Holy crap.

Apparently Schneider and Carroll weren't negotiating from strength when they put together this deal with San Diego. The Chargers knew we really wanted this guy, and they made us pay.

In retrospect, they probably could have made Holmgren pay more to get Seneca Wallace, for the same reason. Or was that deal shaped by the obvious fact that the Seahawks no longer wanted him (whereas the Chargers would be quite content to keep Whitehurst around as their 3rd QB.)?

this reminds me of when we got matt from green bay. everybody was saying the same thing. i really don't think the seahawks pull the triger if there not sure he will be our qb of the furture. if we can still get marshall then i think we did really well

You guys remember Mr. August? Hadn't played a down in the regular season and ended up becoming an NFL franchise's best QB ever. Who was that?

The Cards get a QB with experience and played in a Pro Bowl for a little over $3M a year. While the Hawks get a QB who is 2 yrs older never thrown a pass or even made it to 2nd string for a 3rd pick, 20 spots in the 2nd and $5M a year.

What could possibly go wrong with this plan? Perhaps the Hawks are aiming for the first pick in 2011.

Good thing the pick SD's getting in 2011 is gonna be at the bottom of the round, right guys!?

Joking aside, I hope he turns out to be an amazing QB once given the chance. Pete Carroll and John Schneider see something. They're not doing all of this blindly.

I'm excited. I may feel like a fool for it later, but I think this is a bold move that could pay off big time.

maybe they think with all the late round picks were adquiring we can trade back up into the third round, or maybe package some player to get back into the second. They better do something. We need starters not projects that come in the fourth round.

But this is some gigantic &$*#^. I've been really patient with the leadership and trusted their moves up until today. This is the straw the broke the camel's back for my patience. It's not like Whitehurst is super-young (28 I believe) and he most likely won't even play this year. I totally thought this would be a mega-trade involving Marshall somehow and instead we basically demolished any chance that I know of (besides giving up #6) getting him. My excitement since the Carroll/Schneider era started has been on a steady decline.

whiteWHO? Who is this guy? 2nd rounder really? Will somebody please tell me what we could have gotten with Mike Teels Pick last year. I mean..why did we draft him? of course I guess that was Ruskells guy.

While I agree this was a overpay, I was a lot more skeptical about the Anderson option. Why would Holmgren dump him if he would be a great starter? And Brock was singing his praises which scares me even more. So I'm consoled that we didn't end up with Anderson.

I am done until I hear that this deal was to suck up to San Diego and the two teams plan to trade trade 14 for 28 (or Marshal) and 40 which is an even trade.

None of the moves bothered me until now. You just don't pay more than asking price for anything.

Look, you either think PC and Co can evaluate talent or they cant. If Whitehurst even is an average starter in the league for a couple seasons past Hass (perhaps starting this year) then it is a great trade just swapping picks and only giving a 3rd rounder. I do agree that they must have really wanted him bad since it was a 3rd round tender..

I am going to give the new FO a couple seasons and see what they can build. Clearly they have a totally different plan in mind than TR and I am 1000% ok with seeing where that takes us.

I remember reading somewhere that a 3rd round pick next year is equated to a 4th round pick this year, in terms of value. SO if you think of it in those terms, it's like we gave up a 4th and twenty spots in the 2nd. It actually doesn't sound much crazier than a 3rd.

ksmckee_87, im not saying he is worth what we paid for him im merely saying Wallace proved that he wasnt going to be our QB of the future and Whitehurst hasnt been given the chance yet. Our management knows a whole helluva lot more about all of this than we do so why dont we wait until we see how things work out before freaking out.

BRUTAL. That's all I have to say.

20 spots in the second round are just about worth a mid to late 3rd round pick. So basically we gave the equivalent of this years third and next years third for a third round tender.

It is fine with me till I see whitehurst 1st regular season game with the seahawks. Only time will tell, if he was tendered for a 3rd and traded for that much. I think he has talent. As for the rest of the offseason, I think he has been under rivers enough to start in the nfl. With that said I say trade hasselbeck for 2010 draft picks and they still need to go for marshall. And Charlie Whitehurst will be the starting quarterback for 2010.

This is definite overpay for a lifelong backup.

I was on board with Carroll after calming down from the initial hiring. I'm back to being pissed.

Oh well, you have competition Matt. And if you win, well this trade looks even worse.

The one X factor here is Jeremy Bates. Carroll's always had an OC that could coach up a QB. In the past two years he's made a true freshman QB (Barkley) and an interception machine (Cutler) into formidable players. I have hope that he can coach up Whitehurst. Seems that his main problem was consistency and Bates has experience in turning that type of guy around. At face value, we gave up a lot. If (and thats a bif IF) he can be coached up, it's a great move. If not, we gave up WAAAAAY too much. It seems like a very high risk high reward move. It does say, though, that this regime is building and not using the draft as a bandaid for a sinking ship. So I guess I like that.

This is what the Hawks offered in the beginning because I remember reading an article that said the Chargers had accepted a proposal from the hawks regarding Whitehurst.

Wow. Just wow, wan't expecting that much at all.

Still I'm glad we have Whitehurst over Anderson. Hes only a year older and actually seems able to complete passes accuratly. Anderson has already proven he cannot be a starter in the league, Whitehurst still can.

This is SOOOOO madening! Whether he turns out to be a good quarterback or not is irrelevant. The fact is that SD was asking for a 3rd round pick in exchange for Whitehurst. We gave up a 3rd rounder and moved down 20 spots in the second round. I think he might be an OK QB but why overpay when you don't have to. I want to hear a press conference or an interview with the front office.

This deal would have made sense if SD was sending their 3rd to Seattle. Wow! Nice deal Charlie!

Imagine what a day it would be for the chargers.

Trade a player who was doing basically doing nothing for 20 spots in the 2nd round and 2011 3rd.
Woww.

Age is not a huge factor.
If he is coached up somehow hew will probably play for 8-10 years. Hass was 26 when he cam here. Whitehurst is going to be 28. Maybe we just got Hasselbeck/Brady/Romo 2.0? Hopefully !!!!!!!!!!

Ok, so Whitehurst is a diamond in the rough, right? He’ll be our franchise QB for the next 10 years and will lead us to our first SB victory and then our second. Too high of hopes? Probably. But until he proves that he can’t do it, I might as well just sip my drink and try not to cry.

Thank you for some positive. He has not played a snap. Pete Carrol and Co. has a plan in mind. He was tendered for a 3rd rounder. Only time will tell...

Eric Berry sprains toe in pro day.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/17/eric-berry-sprains-his-toe-at-pro-day/

Shoot, I didn not know there were so many scouts and player personnel guys that posted on here!

Even if he is our future QB there had to a better way to make this deal. Man we got bent over on this one!

you don't pay a guy 5 mil a season to be a backup. I bet something happens with Matt (trade, etc). This group (Carroll, Schneider) appear to want to wipe the slate clean and start with "their" guys. Don't be surprised if Matt is traded soon or near the draft. Again, you don't pay 5 mil a year (and only 2 years!) for a "backup".

Pete must have had his eye on Whitehurst since high school. No way you pursue someone who hasn't played a down with such determined enthusiasm without knowing his background.

Carroll seems to value semi moblie QBs (going all the way back to Palmer) and he is definitly that. Not sure how fast he is when facing NFL calibre 'backers and ends but he looks more than able to avoid the rush to extend the play. Looks like Mark Sanchez or a more athletic version of Roethlisberger with his ability to extend the play.

Thats just from video's I've seen on youtube however, of course they're only going to show the highlights.

Oh man, some of your post are quite hilarious! This is like a soap opera, "As The World Turns". Watch Charlie Whitehurst become a stud QB. If Pete Carroll and John Schneider think this guy is the shit then everyone chill and smoke a bowl. I agree that the trade seems far fetched but there is nothing we can do about it. Hopefully, we can get another 4th or something more tremendous with Rob Sims. I'm hoping that Kerney will be traded and Spencer.

He better b the second coming of Christ for that kind of money

It's so nice to see that Bill Bavasi could find some work in seattle after the mariners fired him. To consult with the Seahawks on football, despite knowing nothing about it? what a job....

i am sorry, but this is a TERRIBLE F'NG trade. It makes no sense. move down 20 spots and give up a third next year for what? a QB who has never seen a snap? this is stupid. a real Bavasi type move. and to think, i had some faith in the Seahawks. Why do I bother........

Anyone know the last time we had an off season with this much turnover????

Don't get me wrong its very exciting but after years of Holmgren and Ruskell being conservative or predictable this comes as quite a shock.

he look to me to have a very strong arm

Now, let's mull over this concept with a delicious deli-style roast beef sandwich. We traded an arm and a leg for Charlie Whitehurst and it's possible that he isn't going to be our backup. You don't trade that much for a backup, you don't. I'm guessing either they have a trade ready to get Matt Hasselbeck out the door or he will be the guy doing the backup. I highly doubt they will want to pay Matt Hasselbeck the money to backup a system he hasn't even learned yet. Prediction: Matt Hasselbeck will be gone very soon.

Love the Bavasi reference. Seems very accurate. I want to hear what these clowns have to say for themselves after this donkey trade.

So help me if we absolutely suck this year, get the number 1 pick overall, and dont draft Locker cuz of this bonehead move.

True we may have overpaid for Whitehurst but compared to someone like Jimmy Clausen who also hasnt played a down in the NFL and would require a much larger contract along with a top 10 pick this may not be too bad.

espn is saying that it is a swap of second rounders and that we will be recieving the chargers 2011 third rounder. lets not freak out till its offical!

For some time now, I have been concerned that Pete Caroll and John Schneider do not have the needed experience or proven NFL track record to run an NFL franchise.

Yes, they have experience, but it is unproven and this is a very suspect move.

As a forever Seahawks fan, I hope I am wrong, but this looks like a really bad trade.

By any chance, is Bill Bavasi working with the Seahawks now?

I dont believe it.

I need more confirmation.

Farmer Paul,
What do you think we would get for Kerney a 5th or 6th
How about Spencer, maybe a second if we get lucky.
Branch, maybe a 5th or something

We should get the Browns 4th round for Sims, this is #102.

More guys that don't help us are gone and more guys that could help us get drafted.

Kerney is old, Spencer is soft, branch is old and injured, Sims does not fit.

Whitehurst is our next Hass not playing for a few years behind a future Hall of Famer.

Back then we got Hasselbeck and a 7th rounder giving away a 3rd rounder and moving back 7 spots in the 1st round. Pretty much the same thing we did here although you could argue that #40 & #60 are almost a full round apart.

Either way, if this guy is in fact good enough to be our QB of the future then this turns out to be a great deal. If not we probably still don't end up losing all that much. As for his age, he hasn't taken the hits which just means he'll be able to play longer. QBs can be effective well into their 30s.

I am also happy that Derek Anderson was not the guy. He is bad and Leinart is too. Arizona is going to have a tough time this year with those guys under center.

This would not seem so outrageous if any of us had ever seen this guy play. Again, look at Matt. He was not good in his limited time with the Packers 13-29 with 2 TDs. All I've heard is that he's been good in the pre-season. Seneca is not good enough to start in the league and unless he's with Holmgren's offense he's a less than average backup.

The Broncos were not going to give up Marshall for the #40 pick. We would have closed that deal already if they were willing to make it.

Tonight I'm going to drink a Guiness to Charlie Whitehurst and say a little hope that he is the guy we've been looking for.

GO CHARLIE! GO HAWKS!

Im just disgusted. I cant believe we just gave next years third AND swapped far lower in the second round for a 28 year old qb who has never thrown a pass in an NFL regular season game. I just cant believe it.

No third round pick three years in a row.

Sheer Genius. Yep, we're sure gonna compete this year folks!

Guess this means Hasselbeck is gone either before the draft or after this year. Im having trouble wrapping my head around this. My stomach hurts.

I dont think Hass is a future Hall of Famer.

This offseason is more like the Mariners of the 1980's. I never thought I'd say this, but they are WORSE than Ruskell!! (At least they arent as insufferable.)

Quick change of topic.

Shawn Andrews was released by the Eagles, he showed flashes of being a Hutch type of guard but injuries have really slowed down his career. He is a two time all pro so its not like he has never produced. Not sure if he fits the ZBS but I wouldn't mind seeing us give him a shot since he can play both G and RT. Thoughts?

Wow... a lot of armchair scouts. I, for one, will trust that Pete and Co. have seen something that I (or any of us) haven't before flying off the deep end. Not to mention actually waiting to hear the official terms of the trade...

Hass is not but he sat behind Favre a future HOF
Whitehurst sat behind Rivers, possibly a future HOF

this is the comment that I was making.

Wow! Interesting trade to say the least. I hope this will work out, in fact I have a feeling it will. I think we will trade Matt and Charlie will be our starter when 2010 season starts. I aslo hope we get Marshall to enhance our offense, as well as C.J. Spiller. I got to be honest, I'm surprised but at the same time excited about this following season. I think Pete and John know what they are doing, they wouldn't trade players for nothing. As a QB/linebacker/RB myself, I like what we are doing.

I dont care if Whitehurst becomes a good qb. We allready have Matt, we have MANY holes to fill and not enough picks, and we just gave away far more than Whitehurst was tendered at. Ridiculous! They should have been able to negotiate a better deal than that! What crap!

I thought maybe they were gonna trade him for a couple fourth round picks, not a third and drop us 20 freaking spots! Horrible! Especially in a draft with TONS of first round talent still available in the high second round! This is NOT the year to be burning draft picks on aging third string qb's!!

One way to find that out is see if he's been asked to stay away from workouts, as Tapp (gone) and Sims soon to be gone) were.

Who would have thought he would become the next seattle seahawk starting qaurterback while watching him during the preseason agaisnt us.

that WE received Chargers 2011 third round pick! Also, Clayton is reporting on ESPN news that Whitehurst is definitely our starter until someone beats him out and that he believes Matt Hasselbeck will soon be gone. Clayton also says that he would not be surprised if we grab another QB in the draft.

I was hoping the hawks would do more in fa, but not like this.definetly not like this.the pc/js era is not looking so good now. so much for getting brandon marshal.i am not looking forward to the next season so much , cant wait, but I am preparing for more disappoint now.this sucks

We swapped places in the second round and received Charlie Whitehurst and their 2011 3rd round pick.

Ok, Phew! At least we didnt get totally screwed! Its still a terrible trade though.

How much you wanna bet Matt Hasselbeck far outperforms Charlie Whitehurst over the next 2-3 years, wherever they play?!

Can I get a link?

do a google search!

Maybe. I reading something different from Sando. Sando is reporting we sent San Diego a 2011 third rounder. I swear people that I heard different on ESPN News. We will see.

I did! I searched Charlie Whitehurst, John Clayton. Went on espn. All if it says we are giving up our 3rd rounder.

turn on espn or espn2, look at the bottom of the screen(espn bottom line) it says swap of second rounders and for CHARGERS 2011 3rd pick.

That's what I thought. reporters have it wrong.

That makes sense. And could be true.
But why is it that everything but that says 3rd round pick from us? ..reporters..

I agree, the deal makes more sense if it's

{Whitehurst + SD's 2010 second rounder + SD's 2011 third rounder} = {Our 2010 second-rounder}


"Confirmation. I want confirmation."
(Yeah, I watched Tora! Tora! Tora! again last night.)

I'm still reading that the Seahawks gave up their 2011 3rd round pick. Please provide a link to this info that the Hawks get the Bolts 2011 3rd round pick.

You are killin me bro! Reading your dispair and imagining you pulling your hair out in tufts!, and I don;t have the foggiest as to what you look like...hawhawhaw

I bet when you finally figured out that we GOT their 3rd for next year, you probably said, ala guilda radner..."never mind".................... hehehehe

Its not a matter of if Hasselbeck does better elsewhere than Whitehurst does in Seattle. Its a matter of moving foward. I love Hasselbeck, but we need to cut ties either now or at the end of next season, he is not going to win a SB here in Seattle. We cannot compete for anything beyond the NFC West this season and it seems like management has wisely decided to take one step back to move two foreward.

Thats assuming this move pans out though...

There is no confirmation from anyone that the Hawks received SDs next years third round pick. The Hawks gave up their third round pick for Whitehurst for next year. Whoever reported that is false at this time... You never know though!!

Seems like a big leap of faith to give high value to this guy, but what if Whitehurst were in this year's draft-pool? Would we use a 3rd rounder on a QB with his measurables? The loss of the third could seen as the cost of drafting him, and the dropping of 20 places in this year's 3rd as the cost of his (albeit little) experience at the pro level.

Charles Robinson from YAHOO sports said this about Whitehurst; "If you've ever seen Charlie Whitehurst in a San Diego practice, you see the appeal. The size & arm are there. And Norv has been good 4 him."

DraftCountdown said this today about Whitehurst: "People keep saying Seattle overpaid for Whitehurst in both money and draft picks. If he is even an average starting QB they got a steal."

We all may be over reacting here! Chris Sullivan will be posting an awesome article later tonight about the trade. STAY TUNED!!

LOl! Man I hope I dont slip in the tears......I for one am anxious to see what the front office has in mind. Until they fail, Im excited to see how this team transforms. I actually think, and call me crazy, that PC and Co. might know just a little bit more about football and talent than most of us here. If he is indeed the next Maquire, then Ill be as loud as the rest, but until then Im just anxious to see what the rest of the offseason has in store and how it all translates on the field. GO HAWKS!!!

If you look at it that way, this is obviously a reasonable year. But who is? I say trade matt and start whitehurst this year.

ESPN News is still reporting on their "ticker" on the left side of the screen that the Hawks are getting San Diego's 2011 3rd round pick. They say Clayton is reporting it. We are not sending them ours.

Where will Matt have value though? I doubt Cleveland after the Delhomme signing, at least not as much value as he would have had before. Houston maybe? Baltimore? I don't see us getting a whole lot for Matt, he is getting older and teams will either use him as a backup/mentor or as a stop gap while they wait for a young QB.

is saying the same thing. We are receiving the third round pick, not them. I wonder which is true...frustrating.

It just does. We are giving way too much for unproven NFL QB if it's the other way around, but there is nothing we can do about.

I see what you are seeing but I am just not seeing that elsewhere. Let's wait and see within the next few hours what happens. That sounds a lot better in the long run for the Hawks and I for one would not be upset about this trade today.

Now I know how it feels to be one of the Philly or Jets fans at the draft that boo every pick.

But truth be known, I don't have confidence in the pick. I hope he pans out.

I bet we could have had Brian Hoyer cheaper.

I agree Farmer Paul. I don't think any of us make the deal as it was first reported, so why would Pete and John?

Why would we even consider going after Brian Hoyer????

Better yet, why would New England part ways with ANY QB on that roster? Its very slim pickings after Brady.

Charles Robinson from Yahoo just stated again: "Crazy: Chargers got more 4 Charlie Whitehurst (moving up in 2nd round & a 3rd round pick) than 4 Drew Brees (3rd round compensatory pick)."

Not sure why ESPN has the Hawks getting SD's third for next year!

I seen Jason La Canfora earlier on NFL, he said it MAY take until tomorrow before we find out all the details of the trade. The swap with second round picks make sense, because wouldn't that be close to equal of a third rounder, which is what Whitehurst was tendered at?

It just doesn't make sense. Someone please help me with this. Our second #40 and our 2011 3rd rounder, for their #60 and Charlie Whitehurst. Charlie and the 3rd rounder next season is a fair trade, but our second for theirs doesn't make any sense. Our second is worth way more then their second. Some one help me here.

Okay, that makes sense also, without the 3rd round pick being involved. Now, if we get the 3rd rounder then we scored!

It seems obvious to me that the results of PC's evaluations of Whitehurst have indicated that Whitehurst was a better "future QB" option than either Bradford or Clausen, et. al. in this years draft. We must keep in mind that neither one of the two top rated QB's have thrown an NFL pass either and they are both weak armed passers. With the Marshall thing and now this, I think PC wants to open up the passing game for some downfield long passes & bombs, that should keep the box from being stacked and help the running game & defense as well.

Looking at the positive side of things, we didn't have to spend a #6 and a bazillion dollar contract on Bradford or Clausen (both of which may not have been available at #6 anyway). So we got off cheap.
As to the 5-million/yr. contract, that's chump change to Paul Allen. Additionally, we have only seen one portion of the "master plan" to improve the team, I think there is a lot more coming soon.

Lets go ahead and pray this works out for you fellas,.....or you wont be around long. Pinning your first run with the team on this kid....RRRRISKY!

I'm a Seahawk for life, born and raised in Seattle for 38 years, before moving to Arizona. I seriously doubt this will happen, but thought I would mention it anyway...if nothing else, for a laugh.

Why not send Matt to Arizona for their extra third round pick that they have, then Hass, Leinart and Anderson can duke it out to see who becomes their starter? Hass is still better than the other two, and would no doubt win the starting job.

Ok, how many laughs did I get?

Why would we even consider going after Brian Hoyer????

Better yet, why would New England part ways with ANY QB on that roster? Its very slim pickings after Brady.
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I only bring up Hoyer because he, unlike Whitehurst, has actually played in real NFL games and has a real QB rating (82.6).
And given that he went undrafted it seems likely the Patriots might have traded him for something less than a 2nd round pick value...and his contract is considerably less than $5 million per year.

Which means if he doesn't pan out he's a less expensive risk.

Would Hoyer be the next Dave Krieg? I sure don't know...but I believe he'd be cheaper to explore.

I hope the Hawks draft one of those middle to late round QB's so we can have as many tickets to this lotto as we can.

We gave up a mid to high second round pick in value (450+) and 10 million dollars for a guy marked with a 3rd round tender. We put a 2nd round tender on a guy an we get a forth and a no nothing player.

Bradford will end up being an elite QB... and is not even figuring into PC's plans because he will never come close to falling to 2 let alone 6...

If we are getting the 3rd rounder as opposed to sending SD ours along with the 2nd swap.. I can live with that.. Hope JC is right!! otherwise we are the new old Ms...

This is quite a price to pay for someone who has zero pass attempts in the NFL and whose college stats weren't all that impressive. I even checked out his NFL preseason stats, and they aren't all that great either. I sure hope they know what they're doing.

press conference. I want to see how Pete and John handle the media's questions on this trade. Everyone wants to know why trade to much for unproven. It is really mind boggling. Now, that we have a chance to mull it over for a good while it's actually unsettling. I mean at first I was not rally taken by it. my first initial thought was that Matt Hasselbeck will soon be gone. Then I started to read peoples thoughts, actual reports and then it hit me like a ton of bricks. We are giving too much for an unproven. Pete and John have a lot of explaining to do to the fans of Seattle. They better have a great sales pitch for us fans. They better know what they are doing. I can understand overpaying for a guy like Brandon Marshal, but Charlie Whitehurst! Well...we can only wait and see.

Chargers give up QB Whitehurst, improve draft position
By Kevin Acee, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Wednesday, March 17, 2010 at 4:44 p.m.


Charlie Whitehurst
The Chargers moved up 20 spots in the second round in this year's draft and got an extra third-round draft pick in 2011, and Charlie Whitehurst has a new opportunity to actually be a quarterback
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IMO this trade sucks.. way too much for a flyer

Eric Williams posts a compelling reason to unload/trade Hass now- strong personality that could hinder Whitehurst's development as 'the guy'.

"I mean at first I was not rally taken by it. my first initial thought was that Matt Hasselbeck will soon be gone. Then I started to read peoples thoughts, actual reports and then it hit me like a ton of bricks. We are giving too much for an unproven. "

Yeah, but didn't people say that about Hasselbeck, too? We should see what we've got before passing judgement. He hasn't seen an actual NFL game yet and I'm not sold on him either, but I don't think we should start panicking about it. We're still not quite sure what the new front office's vision is for this team - other than it's going to look different than last year. Which is good.

before all u judge look at this guys youtube video and look at his arm and ability to move outside the pocket about as fast as wallace . But alot more accurate and he knows how to throw the ball away!!!

$5 million/yr for 2 f-ing years??? And Anderson goes to the Cards for $3m/yr? For that kind of money, he had better cure cancer... or at least take the starting job away from Matt by playing like a champ and bringing us back to the playoffs. Man, though. I just can't understand what could possibly be going through management's collective heads right now...

This is a smart move. One poster questioned "I thought these FO guys were football guys?, yes they are. You aren't that is why this move doesn't make sense to you. PC and JC have both seen this guy in preseason, they have watched him work out before, what is the problem. This team has been terrible with Wallace as a backup and now they will get to see what the chargers have been holding onto for this many years.

Come on guys, endless complaining about Ruskell's lack of risk taking, now we get a GM with the balls to go for it and more complaining. I remember Whitehurts from college. He was a stud. I guarantee Carroll & Schnieder have done far more homework on him than any of you, and are also better talent evaluators than any of you. His offer is for 2 years. If he doesn't work out, we won't be paying a huge contract for years. I think we are getting a good QB. Yes, we paid a lot, but if he becomes a starter, and if...if... Hasselbeck ends up getting traded for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, we will be OK. I personally don't want to trade Hass because he is the last remaining link to that great Super Bowl season, but you can't 'kind of rebuild.' Either they do it or they don't.

Re: my previous post... should say Whitehurst, not "Whitehurts." I hope that wasn't an bad omen...

Hold up now. Who's panicking? I'm surely not. I'm stating the facts. I'm also stating that I can't wait to hear what the front offices reasoning for this is. Plain and simple. No panicking here and no passing judgment.

Football is entertainment. ....and this is entertaining. Just reading thru this. Can't wait for the next move : )

They really aren't giving up that much (about the equivalent of a late 2nd round pick} for a guy that could be a QB in the future for us. They're also giving themselves more flexibility in the draft since QB isn't something that HAS to be taken care of.

And please don't try to compare Whitehurst to Seneca. We were going to release Seneca and managed to get some value for him. The Chargers had Whitehurst tendered for a 3rd round pick. It would be stupid to think we could get him for a low round pick.

there is a 2010 3rd pick in it for the Hawks that changes everything. The Hawks would then have a pick in every round (plus 2 1st and 2 4th) with probably another 4th soon to be had for Sims and a 1 or 2 7th rd Comp picks. 10 to 12 picks this year would help dramatically. Hope this is true. If not then they way overpaid.

This really sucks, the Whitehurst deal is a joke. Hang on for a long bumpy ride fellow Hawk fans because we will remain one of the weakest teams at quarterback talent in the league. Even in our pathetic division it looks like a 3rd place finish in 2010 just above the lowly Rams.
Marshall will campaign loudly to avoid being traded to the Seahawks, the Jets with Sanchez are a better opportunity for him.

Proven: Brandon Marshall

Unproven: Charlie Whitehurst

Brandon Marshall should have been overpaid.

Charlie Whitehurst should not have been overpaid.

I understand that there is tremendous upside with this guy, but the Chargers wheeled and dealed and got what they wanted. Sure, the Seahawks obviously got what they wanted, but gave way too much. If this was the case with Brandon Marshall then it would have been worth it because he has proven, on the field, that he is the best of the best. Charlie Whitehurst hasn't proven anything, well...not yet. If we were to give Denver our #6 pick for Brandon Marshall, I would have had no problem with it because of his proven value. There really isn't any proven value to give to Charlie except for the one the Chargers priced him at. Here is a analogy on what the Seahawks did. They walked into a car dealership and saw the market value of a new 4x4, 4 door, long bed pick-up truck with tremendous features and major upside at $39,000. They love this truck so much that they had to have it, right NOW!. The go inside and sit down with the salesperson. The salesperson pulls out the infamous piece of paper with the selling price and plenty of room for negotiating. Instead of the negotiating process they decide that it's worth the selling price and more. They tell the salesperson not only are we going to give you what your asking for the truck but we want to throw in an extra 30,000 because we believe you priced that unbelievable truck out there mistakenly. Now, while the salesperson is trying to get his mouth up off the desk, they come back at him with even a bigger offer. Alright, not only are we going to give you 69,000 for the truck, but we are going to throw in 25,000 more dollars next year just because we love this truck and you and your dealership deserve it. This is moronic in most peoples eyes, right. I mean seriously, everyone would call these guys fools for such ineptness. Now, did our beloved Seahawks FO do such a thing? I will let you decide for yourself.

I can't wait for the season already! Just like everyone on this site, I have no freakin' idea what to make of this team! Hey if Whitehurst is our guy, so be it. Still have to get him some blockers and playmakers. I'll be at the draft (1st round anyway) probably the most important night for the Hawks in a decade. They have a plan, not sure what it is, but they have a plan. Let's hope they get it right.

If Charlie Whitehurst becomes on of the elite QB's in the NFL, then I will forever know that Pete Carroll is a master at judging talent. He will stand as the greatest talent evaluator in the history of the NFL and College Football.

If Whitehurst turns out to be a stud, I will forever remember this day for the rest of my life hahaha (on second thought, I'll probably remember it if he's a bust also)

Fair market value and availability. You all say we need a QB this year.

They draft class is extremely weak. The free agency market is extremely thin at QB, especially a QB in the new scheme.

One of the high potential young options (28 is young for a QB w/ no playing time) , who is prototypical, big armed and has pocket mobility and been mentored in a great QB system is available. He's available fora pick, we do NOT have.

We wouldn't get the top rated QBs w/ out moving up, likely. We don't have much thats capable of being drafted in the 2nd and 3rd round.

Our starter QB is not statistically likely to make it through the season and our other BU QB, needed to be traded, because he is not good enough for our team.

What do you do? You do what you have to do and get the option that is safest and spend a little to do so.

I support the move. You guys bitching, enough already - its tiring. Go root for the Browns or something...

I dont care if Whitehurst becomes a good qb. We allready have Matt, we have MANY holes to fill and not enough picks, and we just gave away far more than Whitehurst was tendered at. Ridiculous! They should have been able to negotiate a better deal than that! What crap!

First of all, in regards to why we had to do a deal something like what went down was that we didn't have the 3rd rounder to make an offer with on San Diego's tender this year. That means we couldn't sign him and see if San Diego matched. The NFL rules say that if you don't have a qualifying pick to offer, you can't make an offer and that pick has to be a current year pick. Same rule that says if we sign Marshall to an offer sheet, our 6th pick is the one we have to tender if the offer is accpeted. That's why Marshall will have to be some kind of a trade deal too. We had to initiate a trade to get Whitehearst. We traded the value of a current year 4th round pick according to Clayton and moved down 20 spots in the second round. Maybe a little more overall than our third round pick would have been this year (remember, it would have been a high 3rd rounder). If next year's third rounder is much lower in the round, it becomes not much of a difference at all instead of the "far more" than what our third rounder this year would have been.

"I dont care if Whitehurst becomes a good qb".

You don't? Wow. If he does what the last QB who came in here on just about identical terms did (Matt Hasselbeck), I think Carroll and Co. just made an absolute steal of a deal. Hasselbeck was called Mr. August because all he had done was play in the preseason and had absolutely no regular season game experience. He was an older QB too having spend two or three seasons in Green Bay as the third stringer (also not able to get to second string status).

And personally, I care greatly whether he becomes a "good" QB or not. It makes all the difference in the world. If he proves up, that means that Carroll is more likely a great talent evaluator than he is just lucky. Just because no one else saw the potential in Whitehearst doesn't somehow cheapen the deal. Looking back at the Hasselbeck deal, we could have given up far more and still made out great with that one.

Too many fans are so quick to judge with a thimble full of knowledge (at best) of what these players are capable of and what their upside is. Trust me, the coaches and scouts know far better whether this is a good deal or not. For one thing, they've got their very jobs on the line. Peter Carroll was doing everthing right until he made what he probably considers to be a shrewd move but one that others especially ill informed fans can't fathom.

If you can't at least wait to see how it pans out, you will be forever making horrible decisions on whether to endorse a trade or acquisition and look like you know little about football. Jumping all over this trade particularly after seeing how it turned out with our last and best QB in franchise history, is just knee jerk reacting at it's worst and shows how uninformed you are as a fan about how great players are turned up and how some teams find those great players for little investment. Somehow, I thought that's what everyione wanted when they were criticizing Ruskell for spending first round choices on wide outs. Well, if everyone could see that Whitehearst had potential, there wouldn't be much of a deal to be had would there? What would it take to get Kolb from Philly? Three first round picks or so? To get a deal, you have to find a sleeper. So when Carroll may have done just that, he gets drug through the dirt before we even see if he managed to do just what we wanted him to do. How much sense does that make?

If you can't even trust Carroll and Co. to do exactly what everyone said they wanted when they rode Ruskell out of town (take more risks, acquire players with shady pasts if they can play, etc.) and give him a little slack in which to perform these miracles, we all might as well find a new football team to root for. Next, we'll start firing the new coach before he gets out of preseason based on our speculation of how well he's going to do in the regular season. GIVE PETE A CHANCE TO MAKE HIS CHANGES AND FIELD A TEAM before you say none of this will work and he's making bad deals.

Whitehearst may very well be just what we've been searching for. A QB who will develope into a good one that didn't cost us an arm and a leg. Let's find out before we torch the new FO before they even get to the OTA's.

Those who say that the Seattle media is too soft on their sports teams should have a good long look at the fans before they think it's such a cushy job. The fans here will murder you with speculation, uninformed judgements, and inuendo faster than you can blink.

Hey,

I love the fan blogs, I've been following this for some time. Really, thanks for the support from those who have shown it. You wouldn't believe how happy I am to be coming to Seattle. I just want to play football.

See you in August.

Best,

Charlie

Welcome to Seattle Charlie... Now come on up and play your ass off for us!! Make PC & JS look like geniouses!

Of course it would be nice if Whitehurst works out, and at 27 years old we will have 5 or 6 good seasons out of Charlie before he's done...lol. It is still a stupid move rather than drafting a younger future quarterback like Clausen or Bradford even though they may be gone by 6. The Jets did it right with Sanchez.
The good news is that Hasselbeck's days are numbered. The Hawks badly need a new face representing their offense and even Whitehurst will be an improvement.

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