25 March 2010
I like Liz Matthews at ESPN 710's statement today, "All quiet in Hawkville when this is themorning's press release: 'Top Pot Doughnuts and Coffee now Available for Fans at Qwest Field'". That is exactly how I feel. In the meantime, here's some reading pleasure for you below. They at least get some conversation going.
Pete Carroll told Pat Kirwan of NFL.com that Ty Law has a place on the Seahawks roster if he wants to come play.
San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Singletary talks about the "Inner Focused" player, courtesy of Brian McIntyre.
Per visiting Guard Chester Pitts' Twitter page; "Its been reported that I signed with the 49ers. As honored as I'd be, that hasn't transpired as of today. Just setting record straight."
Guard Justin Smiley of the Miami Dolphins believes that he soon will be traded to the Seahawks after being told to stay away from the practice center. Sounds familiar eh Sims?
Preliminary talks are ongoing with Denver WR Brandon Marshall. Hopefully we will know something sooner rather than later.
Mike Sando of ESPN has a great article about the QB situation within some of the teams in the NFC West, and some other stuff.
And finally, Rob Staton at Seahawks Draft Blog has an updated two-round mock draft that looks awesome. Check it out!

written by TheRealist, March 25, 2010
written by That Guy, March 25, 2010
written by FWBrodie, March 25, 2010
written by S.TTBM, March 25, 2010
IF he can stay healthy, he's what we need: a young-ish veteran with attitude to spare. He will play well alongside whichever LT we draft this year--and we'd better draft one at 14!
written by Hawksince77, March 25, 2010
written by Omar Little, March 25, 2010
written by Hawksince77, March 25, 2010
Davis is a bust waiting to happen
Williams seems more of a RT then franchise LT
Bulaga seems the most NFL-ready, but may be at his max
Campbell is all athleticism, ala Jason Smith, and unproven at the position
Charles Brown probably suits Gibbs the best, but is not a dominate LT
So it is hard to get excited about drafting one of these guys with the top two picks. Perhaps position value makes it inevitable, but with talent like Spiller, Best, Mathews and Thomas likely on the board (probably 2 of the 3, if not all 3) and maybe Haden, it just seems like a better long-term value pick than a good (not great) offensive tackle.
written by Hawksince77, March 25, 2010
written by Hawksince77, March 25, 2010
Plus, Spiller and Best are accomplished receivers (Mathews now so much).
Seattle needs skilled players: QB, WR, RB, DB, safety. Cover skills. Speed. Big play capability.
I don't see that later in the draft. Hardesty will get you 4 or 5 yards, maybe 8 (same with Forsett). Spiller/Best/Mathews will take it 30, 40 or more on a regular basis.
You could build a very good traditional running game around Mathews. Spiller and Best add another dimension coming out of the backfield and lining up in the slot. These are things that no one in the later rounds (unless you want to try McCluster or Ford (the fastest guy at the combine) but I think for Seattle taking one of these guys at 14 would be exciting.
On defense, speed and cover skills are at a premium, and I see 3 top players with both: Berry, Haden and Thomas. If Seattle takes McCoy at 6, that likely eliminates Berry and Haden from consideration. If McCoy isn't there, then for me it would be Berry/Haden (Haden if Berry is also gone).
At 14, that means Haden (unlikely) and Thomas (more likely). A McCoy/Thomas first round would be awesome for the defense.
written by TheRealist, March 25, 2010
written by Hawksince77, March 25, 2010
Not trying to start an argument, just curious who you see worth taking over these two talented players.
At 14, I see all the options on offense, whether o-line or RB, with Thomas the lone exception. If Berry or Haden get taken at 6, then the best option seems LT/RB at 14 (at least in my opinion).
written by Hawksince77, March 25, 2010
Finding the jewels later in the draft (Mebane, for example) is great, but not something that can be counted on.
Settling on a 'good' player over a 'great' one seems like a mistake to me.
written by Highlander, March 25, 2010
written by TheRealist, March 25, 2010
So if couldn't trade down, if the draft was like that, I would probably want Bulaga. I would also be ok with Dez Bryant, based only on talent, not all his baggage. To be honest, i would even be ok with a trade for Marshall at that point. Baggage for sure, but proven NFL production. I might even be ok with spiller, but i will agree that berry would clearly be the BPA. I dont know, i hope the draft doesn't go how you suggested
written by Omar Little, March 25, 2010
There is no way guys like Best and Mathews are worth it in the top 20. Mathews has nice measurables, but watching tape he is not impressive at all. His OL also dominated against weak defenses. Personally I think Mathews is the most overhyped player coming out. He is nothing special IMO.
Best is not a good option IMO because he is not as good of a pass catcher as others, can't block, has a slight injury history and is the same back as Forsett but faster. Why upgrade a guy with a 5 yard APC with a first round unknown with a lesser skill set?
Hardesty at 60 is the best bet. He is also supposed to be the best fit for the ZBS.
written by Omar Little, March 25, 2010
I'm noticing some places where Hardesty is listed as faster than Mathews, but elsewhere where Mathews is listed as the faster. Regardless both ran in the 4.4 range so its not a noticable difference regardless of who is faster.
written by Hawksince77, March 25, 2010
written by S.TTBM, March 25, 2010
I would advocate taking him even if we land Marshall. No one knows IF Butler will ever become a starter, and he lacks the necessary size. He's destined to play slot. Housh is a posession WR and likely gone after this year. After that we have nothing but garbage.
I would be happy with McCoy or Berry though too. I still think we need a solid LT, and since we traded down to 60 from 40, we wont be finding out starting LT at 60. In fact, we might not be finding a starter at ANY position at 60--maybe a solid RB to complement Forsett or a FS like Myron Rolle.
I really like Earl Thomas, but he's shot up draft boards and may not even be there at 14. I also like Demaryius Thomas, who isnt as quick as Bryant but fast enough and has great size, but he's gonna go in the first round/early second. If we want him, its gotta be at 14 or trade down. He wont be there at 60 either.
And I also really like Golden Tate. Im sad we traded out of the 40th slot, as I really thought we might go S, LT, and take him at 40. Thing is, Tate plays above his size and could go in the first round easily.
I think theres at least 5-6 LT's that have a good chance of being quality starters, and so would be happy with any of them at 14. Spiller is intriguing, but we really dont need another undersized speedster. Forsett is a stud, and is quicker onfield than folks give him credit for being. We need a fourth round brusier to help him out, not a faster wimpier Forsett.
Im not excited about Derek Morgan at all. Nor JPP. Too much risk for such a high pick, without enough upside.
Cant wait for the Draft!
written by The best alive, March 25, 2010
written by Omar Little, March 25, 2010
Spiller is the real deal IMO. He does everything, and does it well. He is a lot tougher than his weight suggests and fights much like Forsett for every single yard. Watch his film STTBM, the dude breaks tackles left and right. You wouldn't be calling him wimpy if you've seen him play as often as I have. I don't think we take him unless we grab LT at 6 and he somehow falls to 14.
The more I think on it the more I like taking Berry at 6 if Okung (will be), or Bulaga are gone. I currently live on the East Coast and watch every single Ravens game, so if Berry even lives up to half his hype as being the next Ed Reed we got a true game changer here. We can grab Charlie Brown at 14, so its not like we're passing up on our LT of the future either.
written by Highlander, March 25, 2010
Oh, and I have a sleeper I'd like to see PC pull the trigger on...RB Stafon Johnson. I think he comes back from that throat injury and in doing so proves he's a fighter with real heart...love those types, particularly if they have skills.
written by Hawksince77, March 25, 2010
STTBM,
Bryant may turn out to have a good NFL career, but he doesn't seem to have treated this off-season very professionally, and that concerns me. I think measurables are generally overrated, and on the field performance and character generally underrated. And while Bryant certainly has the on-field credentials, his character concerns me.
Also, I am assuming (hoping) that the Marshall deal gets done without costing any draft picks. While I wouldn't choose to trade Sims and Spencer, it seems like they are on the way out, and that being the case, I would just as soon see Marshall enter before the door swings shut on those two big guys.
If that happens, I don't see value in spending a high draft pick on a WR. Finally, I think Bryant may drop to 14, making a selection at 6 completely unnecessary, even if they wanted him.
I completely agree about the DEs (Morgan, et al) and hope they don't get drafted by Seattle at all.
Omar, Best Alive;
So it's Spiller of bust in the first round for Seattle. I can go with that. Mathews and Best will also be drafted in the first, but probably in the 20s or lower, so if that's the case, both would be a big reach at 14.
The only other offensive player that might be worth taking at 6 is Clausen.
This is a change for me, but I have read some convincing arguments in his favor. If he really has the potential to be a franchise QB, and if he is there at 6, I would advocate drafting him.
Hasselbeck is past his prime (obviously); Teel a question mark; and Whitehurst, while I applaud the move to aquire him, is likely a mediocre starter in the NFL, at best. If that's true, he fills an important role: the back up QB. Or the bridge to a new franchise guy. That guy might be Clausen.
Highlander,
Taking the best available LT at 6 may mean taking the second or third one drafted. Given that none of the OTs by some accounts are worthy of a top-ten grade, taking the second or third best in a mediocre (more broad that deep with elite talent) would be a waste.
Iupati (note the spelling - starts with an 'I' as in 'eye' not L) at 14 might be worth it if he fit Gibbs type player, which I have heard he doesn't. There are several guards in the draft that scouts have called out as fitting a zone blocking system, and it's likely those guys will be targeted, not Iupati.
I completely agree on Stafon Johnson - I would be surprised if PC DIDN'T spend a late round pick on him - maybe as high as a fifth, but more likely the sixth, given his unique insight into Johnson's potential. For competition at the position, if nothing else.
written by Highlander, March 25, 2010
Taking the best available LT at 6 may mean taking the second or third one drafted. Given that none of the OTs by some accounts are worthy of a top-ten grade, taking the second or third best in a mediocre (more broad that deep with elite talent) would be a waste.
I agree with you to an extent. If 2 OT's have been taken before 6 and 2 QB's have been taken (presumably, who knows) then that means one of the top 2 DT's are available. If worse came to worse I sure wouldn't complain about Berry at 6. But I've seen various mocks and blogs that suggest various combinations of Okung, Bulaga, Campbell and Williams all as very high pick OT's. I suspect that Campbell isn't the best fit and maybe the others aren't either.
Iupati (note the spelling - starts with an 'I' as in 'eye' not L) at 14 might be worth it if he fit Gibbs type player, which I have heard he doesn't. There are several guards in the draft that scouts have called out as fitting a zone blocking system, and it's likely those guys will be targeted, not Iupati.
Ah, I have it on good authority that he's going to change the spelling because it causes me difficulties
I certainly would defer to the Hawk staff on judging which linemen fit the ZB system best. But if we take Berry at 6 I'd hope for a O lineman here, although other possiblities might be RB Spiller or CB Haden, maybe OT Brown or OG Iupati. Truth be told, I'd look to trade down this pick and try to get a 2nd or 3rd depending on how far down we'd move.
Precicesly. I think he's excellent value in 5 or 6th round. From what I've read his injury shouldn't pose a problem for the future.
I completely agree on Stafon Johnson - I would be surprised if PC DIDN'T spend a late round pick on him - maybe as high as a fifth, but more likely the sixth, given his unique insight into Johnson's potential. For competition at the position, if nothing else.
written by Omar Little, March 25, 2010
There is no doubt that Spiller would improve our running game dramatically, but we probably have bigger needs that offer more value than another scat back on our roster. I also feel that with the short lives of RBs, you should only take a high shot on one after you have other pieces (LT, QB) in place to maximize your chances at a SB.
Any combo of Berry, Haden, McCoy, Clausen, Bulaga, Campbell, Spiller, Dan Williams (would be enticing if available at 14) or Bryant will be fine with me however.
Guys I am weary of are Trent Williams, Anthony Davis, JPP, Derrick Morgan (like him, just not top 20 like him), Everson Griffen, Carlos Dunlap, Taylor Mays, Mike Iupati and Sam Bradford. I hope I don't see us draft any of these guys come draft day.
written by Hawksince77, March 25, 2010
I would be shocked if Seattle didn't select at least one RB, and wouldn't be surprised if they took two.
written by TheRealist, March 25, 2010
umm...how? that does not seem possible
written by rntatz, March 25, 2010
written by recordblender, March 25, 2010
These are the players I think Carroll is targeting.
1. Okung, Trent Williams (Trade down)
14. Spiller, Mays
60. Brandon Marshall or Tyson Alualu (add 4th for marshall)
4th Lagarrette Blount or other powerback
written by hawksnest116, March 25, 2010
6 Okung or Berry. Neither 2 DT's will be there. Long shot would be Jimmy C.
14 If LT is not taked at 6 then its best Lt available. Possibly Spiller.
Charles Brown, CJ Spiller, Dez Briant, Mike Lupati.
Dez Briant will not be a option if we Trade pic 60 plus a 4th for B Marshall.
written by hawksnest116, March 25, 2010
14 Earl Thomas
60 Traded to Den B Marshall
4th Round-7 Round
RB,OL,DL,
written by Hawksince77, March 26, 2010
Perhaps just hopeless optimism, but optimism based on specific speculation within the industry - I didn't make it up.
written by Highlander, March 26, 2010
written by MontanaMike, March 26, 2010
written by Highlander, March 26, 2010
written by S.TTBM, March 26, 2010
Plus, Brandon Marshall is a far worse character risk with many more troubling issues than Bryant. Bryant supposedly was regularly late for meetings, though his coaching staff denies this, and he lost a year of eligibility because the NCAA Nazis scared him into lying about hanging out with Deion Sanders. While Im sure Deion was up to something, Bryant most likely wasnt. Marshall on the other hand, has been VIDEO TAPED hitting and kicking his girlfriend, and has TWO domeestic abuse accusations with two different women; on top of that, he has been found guilty of DUI, and his jerky behavior led to Darrent Williams murder. An awful lot of baggage and a serious character risk.
I dont understand the logic that says Marshall isnt a huge risk, nor do I understand how Bryant's character flaws can even be considered as in the same universe as Marshalls.
I also dont think getting Marshall should preclude taking Bryant. We have no young WR's with size, so landing two immediately would be huge. And a talent like Bryant doesnt come along every year--you nab them when you can.
As I said, I will be happy with any combo of McCoy/Suh, Berry, Bryant. But Bryant truly deserves to be targeted in the top 10, and if we pass on him I dont think Holmgren will pass on him. He wont make it out of the top 10.
Think how high Crabtree went despite his Prima Donna Diva routine pre-draft. Bryant may not be perfect, but he isnt in that class of idiot!
written by TXHawk, March 26, 2010
written by MontanaMike, March 26, 2010
STTBM you bring up a valid point, I didn't think Dez woulg go top ten but in comparison to crabass, i think you changed my mind. There'll be some big suprises come draft day.
written by EddieS, March 26, 2010
Checked NFL.com, Redskins web page, rotoworld, ESPN, and nothing about them being in the race for Marshall.
written by AK Seahawk, March 26, 2010
written by TXHawk, March 26, 2010
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors
written by Hawksince77, March 26, 2010
I think Marshall a huge risk, and wouldn't give up any of Seattle's top three picks for him, but if he can be had for a trade that involves two o-linemen that you have ripped consistently over the past couple of years, then I think it worth considering.
Bryant, on the other hand, unproven in the NFL, will cost one of those precious picks, and if you are correct, the 6th overall in the draft. Now if PT is able to come to terms with whatever issues that have been reported about Bryant, then I am down with that. It's just that any player - even the supposedly safe ones like Berry and McCoy - carry some risk in translating their game and their character from college to the pros, so any hint of character issues, ala Bryant and Davis, for example, simply magnifies the risk inherent in drafting someone that high.
I think a play-making RB with top speed and the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield (Spiller, Best, perhaps McCluster) offer more offensive value than Bryant, or any WR in the draft. Throw in the possibility of adding Marshall to the roster, a move that will entail fielding a solid WR lineup with Housh, Butler and Carlson, and suddenly the offense has some teeth.
written by EddieS, March 26, 2010
Insiders has to be the biggest joke on ESPN's site.
written by AK Seahawk, March 26, 2010
written by TXHawk, March 26, 2010
written by EddieS, March 26, 2010
I'm serious about insider charging people for information just because they feel it's somehow "special, exclusive" information only for them. Sports stories, information and especially rumors shouldn't be paid for by anyone, that's all I'm sayin'.
written by TXHawk, March 26, 2010
But I agree that it should be free and when my subscription runs out I will not resubscribe. to be perfectly honest the mag is not all that good either
written by dawhboy, March 26, 2010
I bet the redskins will get marshall or owens.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/26/shanahan-doesnt-rule-out-big-name-receivers/
written by Omar Little, March 26, 2010
To me Bryant is good, but STTBM is making him seem like a once in a decade type of talent. He is not. He is the top reciever in this draft class as of now, and will likely be first off the board unless someone pulls an Al Davis but he doesn't seem to be the same type of player as true top 10 reciever talent. I don't think anyone will ever get Dez Bryant confused with a Calvin Johnson or Brandon Marshall.
written by EddieS, March 26, 2010
Well, according to the articles, Washington is not willing to part with their 1st round pick for Marshall either, so I guess it will come down to a sign and trade, and which ever team offers the best trade will get Marshall.
Maybe this will ligt a fire under the FO's a$$. I would like to see Marshall in Seahawk blue and green.
written by Hawksfan80, March 26, 2010
written by FWBrodie, March 26, 2010
written by halkboy15, March 26, 2010
http://12thmanrising.com/2010/03/25/seattle-seahawks-cornerback-ken-lucas-visiting-tennessee-titans/
written by HawksovermyMarriage, March 26, 2010
I guess we will never know...
written by Farmer Paul, March 26, 2010
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/ru...nfl,230357
written by halkboy15, March 26, 2010
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/26/marshall-releases-bizarre-statement/
written by Highlander, March 27, 2010
Oh, or for a football topic, how about sleeper picks...like round 6/7/undrafted types.
written by recordblender, March 27, 2010
written by Hawksince77, March 27, 2010
He has Bradford, Okung, MCCOY, Williams, Bulaga 1-5, leaving...Suh! to number 6 and the Seahawks.
Whoa....that would be awesome!
written by Riggle, March 27, 2010
Unfortunately I don't put a great deal of faith in Brooks' predictions, let alone mock drafts.
It would be great though.
written by Hawksince77, March 27, 2010
In Brooks mock, Suh, Berry and Clausen would be there at 6, so another option might be a trade.
written by recordblender, March 27, 2010
written by Riggle, March 27, 2010
I would love a young, mean, talented defense. Not sure Mays is the answer, but he qualifies as mean.
We must address the OL weaknesses somehow, or the young defense will be on the field all the time and get old and tired real quick.
written by Status One, March 27, 2010
Link: http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...de-places/
Alex Brown: http://www.nfl.com/players/ale...=BRO246330
written by MontanaMike, March 27, 2010
The California Highway Patrol says the 33-year-old player was confronted by officers early Saturday in a fast-food parking lot.
Porter refused to provide his driver's license and began to roll up his window when asked to leave the car. Police say that when an officer reached to unlock the door Porter slapped the officer's hand.
Porter eventually got out and complied with orders, placing his hands behind his back. He and a passenger were arrested.
The 11-year veteran recently signed with the Arizona Cardinals. He also has played for Pittsburgh and Miami.
written by xie560@sina.cn, November 27, 2010
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I think we will work something out for marshal and trade down to pick up a couple extra draft picks!
Maybe a pick next year to help get locker
Go hawks!