Rumors Galore

Hass will not be cut, McCrap will not be a seahawk. this is the most bogus crap i've seen as far as rumors go. it'd be one thing if there was a point for mcnabb to be here- say 6-7 years ago...but that's not the case.

Others are stating that Philadelphia's QB McNabb is on his way to Seattle because the Hawks just gave our #14 pick to the Eagles as a trade.

I have seen nothing reported that says the Seahawks have traded #14 to Philly.

Aw!!! The smell of speculation is in the air... Most of these "what if's" could be quickly addressed if we only knew some facts. But what fun would that be and how wise if everyone knew the plans for the Hawks future? McNabb, you got to be kidding me.

D. Anderson and be done with it. Not the greatest QB in the world but he has experience and is still young. Most important is that he doesn't cost you anything. The Hawks should be trying to get more picks not givng them away.

...I found it interesting to read the comments, mostly from Phili fans. To summarize:

1 - Kolb isn't that good - some of the comments remind me of Seattle fan's attitude about Wallace

2 - any team would be crazy to give up two first round picks for the guy

3 - Phili is in exactly the same place with Seattle (two aging franchise QBs), except they have a viable follow-on to their starter (Kolb) whereas Seattle doesn't. Why would Phili trade Kolb and find themselves in Seattle's shoes?

4 - pursuing Kolb makes sense for Seattle as he can start next year, whereas a rookie couldn't be expected

5 - Phili has to trade/cut one of their three QBs sometime soon, as McNabb and Kolb's contracts are up next year, and they don't want to begin the 2010 season with both of them on the roster

......bout nothin.

just sign - I agree completely. Anderson does have one very good season under his belt, unlike all of the other options (I don't count McNabb as an option). The only knock on him is short range accuracy. That can be coached. Most importantly, he doesn't cost any draft picks and will probably be cheaper than anyone we pick at #6. I'd feel much better about Anderson stepping in for Hass than a rookie. And until I hear otherwise from the organization, I still think Teel has potential. A year from now he could be Andersons backup, our #2, and that doesn't cost any more draft picks either. I have to believe the Hawks saw something in him or they wouldn't have let Seneca go.

That is why this is a rumor article. They are rumors.. no valid sources to support them. There are no articles anywhere just rumors.... If you read the entire article it was stated that they are all rumors. MOST of them are coming from Twitter and other unsubstantiated people. The article is designed to spark a conversation.

...as has been pointed out, no source, so no way to judge the relevence of it.

From the outside looking in, and based on the scant information available, it seems that one of the following options is likely:

1 - Seattle retains Hasselbeck and he is the starter in 2010

2 - Seattle trades Hass to Cleveland, the only other organization that could possibly be interested. This might make sense for everyone concerned, as Hass can start for a team with a decent o-line and running game and do well. Seattle gets a third round pick (or some such) or Brady Quinn.

3 - Seattle cuts Hasselbeck - in my mind, the least likely possibility, unless they secure a sure starter in the meantime (Anderson, perhaps).

Signing Anderson or trading for Quinn gives Seattle a viable starter in 2010, a young guy with a future. Adding Marshall for pick 40, drafting a defensive stud at 6 (Berry or McCoy) and Spiller or OT at 14, and suddenly the Seahawks may be a lot more fun to watch.

heck, hasselbeck will be traded to the redskins, julius jones will be cut and go to the browns, Branch will be traded to the jets..see? i just started 3 rumors..and who am i? I would at least think that the "rumors" would come from a source other than a web troll making stuff up to start conversation. Where did you HEAR these rumors? or did we just make them up?

...I think Mangini is an idiot, so no way to truly judge Anderson and Quinn's potential under his coaching regime.

...is the fact that they cut Anderson, signed Wallace (in no way as a starting QB) and are shopping Quinn around. If they trade Quinn for something other than a starting QB, what are they going to do? They can't count on drafting a starter (both Bradford and Clausen will likely be unavailable when they pick), so unless they get someone like Hasselbeck, a known quantity with direct ties to Holmgren, what else would they do?

They'd trade up to 2 with Detroit.

give the 14 and maybe a 3rd next year to the eagles for kolb, i think he is a better option than clausen. or at least one i feel better about as none of these quarterbacks in the draft are screaming at me to take. then trade the 6 down a little later in the draft to also get a 2nd or 3rd this year to ensure some high end ot and dl picks this year.

I agree with those who say this is all speculation.

None of these scenarios make sense. I would guess they'd keep Hasselbeck, and not acquire any Eagles given the steep prices. The fans and sports media in Philadelphia are overzealous. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where this has all started. They don't have a clue on how many needs the 'Hawks have, and how valuable these draft picks are.

I have inside information:

Kolb will be acquired from the Eagles for Aaron Curry. Straight up deal, watch!

There's a rumor for you.

THIS IS DRIVING ME NUTS! HAHA, but I really am enjoying it. Its keeping me and everyone else on the edge of our seats! I just wish that they would just address some of our holes in our O-Line soon. I am getting really nervious.

As far as McNabb dont waste a draft pick on someone like him! If for some reason we trade for Mcnabb, I can tell you right now I'm done with the hawks! LOL, I have your faith left!

I don't think anyone can outbid Washington for trading up with Detroit. Two reasons:

1 - I think Washington really wants Bradford or Clausen, and will trade with Detroit if necessary.

2 - Detroit will want to trade down two spots with Washington because be doing so they not only get another pick out of the deal, they still draft the same stud they would at #2 (most likely Okung) but for #4 pick money instead of #2.

Its suppost to be "NO Faith"

...about Washington trading with Detroit.

3 - this is assuming the Rams pick a QB

4 - Snyder is insane to win a SB, and will do what he believes necessary to get the QB he thinks will take his team there

Hass will stay as the starter for 1-2 more years.
He will mentor our qb of the future, whomever it is. Is that a rumor?
Even though Teel looked great against scrubs in the pre-season, the fact that we never saw him in any regular season games, makes me wonder.
I think we'll get Anderson on the cheap as long as Arizona doesn't sign him.

Oh yeah, i wouldn't give up any picks for Mcinjured.

Has anyone heard about Ryan Lilja going anywhere? I think he'd be a perfect pick-up for the Hawks but I haven't heard a single thing since he was released.

I heard the Mariners are thinking about trading for McNabb so they can bring someone in to throw grounders for the infielders to practice with. Seriously, I've never seen a QB one hop so many passes in my life. If they had real turf in Philly it would be riddled with burn marks from all of McNabb's worm burners.

If our FO can't find one guy to take in the second round with as much potential as Kolb it worries me about their evaulation skills. Carroll did a good job in SC, but often times the talent came to him. I think Carroll needs to focus on football and a few pet projects if need be, but leave the talent eval up to others who don't have to coach too. He can give the final say once they present their cases.

How about Hasselbeck plus our #14 pick to the Browns for Quinn and their #7 pick? (and we pay the roster bonus for MH)

I heard that the Seahawks traded Paul Allen to the Eagles for Kolb.

These rumors are all about the potential Brandon Marshall trade. The Seahawks want to appear to be shopping their first round picks so Denver is brought to the table to deal. Kolb and McNabb will not be Seahawks. What I would do if I was the FO would be to call up San Diego and ask them to drum up interest in Marshall. They get the benefit of not having him in their division anymore and we get Denver talking. If San Diego were to show interest, Denver would be much more willing to talk about trading for #14 cause San Diego has #28.

Oh yeah! Let's trade Hass to Cleveland. Maybe we could pry loose thier 6th rounder next year to go along with the 7th rounder we so shrewedly stole from them for Wallace. Or we could trade for Quinn. If we could just get Quinn, we'd have that great 1, 2 punch at QB that Holmgren found so appealing when he took over in Cleveland and before he decided to get his two quarterbacks back from Seattle while foisting twiddle dee and twiddle dum on the unsuspecting Seahawks.

Tell me whoever's calling the shots in Seattle (Carroll/Schneider) isn't going to let Holmgren finish the job he started with the Wallace fleecing. Just when I was beginning to like these new leaders we have here in Seattle too. Good thing these are just rumors huh?

we traded up with detroit. Add any pick 5th round or lower. Our choice between Suh/McCoy. Follow Rob Stanton on pick 14 - Charles Brown. 2nd round eventually for Marshall. Hope to find Tebow available with next pick. We walk with

Suh/McCoy
Charles Brown
Brandon Marshall
Tim Tebow

Call this draft the best ever and listen to the media talk about the Hawks for some time. We even move up a few notches in the merchandise sales ranking with all the Hawk 'tebow' jerseys sold in Florida.

But they are interested in Kolb, As we know the price is steep. Cutler steep that is - even though the guy doesn't have Cutler experience.

http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landing?Source-Seahawks-Have-Inquired-About-Kolb=1&blockID=194943&feedID=692

I just read a rumor that Pete Carroll resigned.

I just heard from Lee 'hacksaw' Hamilton, that the Seahawks are very interested in T.O. The rumors are running rampant... and mentioned that Brandon Marshall will not be coming to the Seahawks after his visit over the weekend, because the Broncos are adamant on having the sixth pick in the 2010 NFL draft. Take it for what it's worth.

My qestion for you guys is why do you think kolb is good? Highlight reals from the new orleans game and the baltimore game aren't that good. Not even close to great. I am going to say this again. It seems like we would have traded wallace for anderson,and 6 or 7. Contract issues didn't allow for this, I belive we sign anderson to a mill and Kolb stories are just smoke screens. We must try to get chester pitts or some other guard that is top notch. Then one of the premiere left tackles next month. I cant belive you would even post us trading 2 first rounds for a guy ,as you can see on youtube throwing pick after pick. Sincerley yours Pete's Nephew

I heard a rumor that the Hawks will shortly announce the signing of QB Drew Bledsoe. They will be thrilled to have a number one overall pick.

McNabb isn't worth considering at all. Kolb hasn't done enough to warrant one rather less 2 first round picks.

Given that the Hawks don't have a 3rd round pick they can't sign Whitehurst, although they could trade for him. Is another team's 3rd string QB the best option? I don't know on Whitehurst, his college career had him with about as many TD's as INT's. Maybe he's gotten better sitting in SD.

What are your sources.Or are you guys trying to stir the pot.

trade for Kolb keep hass sign Anderson move Teel to practice squad dont get mcnabb he is in the same part of his career as Hasselbeck maybe a little more athletic but we would still need one for the future. unless we sign derek and trade for mcnabb trade away matt...that could work too just dont get whitehurst look at his stats in the preseason...they were terrible

For anyone who still thinks it's funny to start a post with "Crazy fake rumor I made up to try to be funny," just shut up. It isn't funny. It wasn't funny the first time or the second or the 30th. You aren't clever, no one is laughng, you're an idiot.

First off I would think that Hasselbeck would have trade value if we really did not want to pay his bonus. That rumor is silly anyway though.

Anderson is alright I guess. I'm not so certain that accuracy can be coached though. I did not watch enough of Cleveland to tell if it is more Anderson not having accuracy or his WRs not running good routes but I'd guess it's a combination of both. In his one good year he was throwing to Braylon in his one good year before his ego took over and Kellen Winslow in a rare year that he did not get hurt. If we get Brandon Marshall paired with Housh and Carlson he may have a chance to be a good player. Even in his good year he did still throw 19 picks which is pretty high. I see Anderson as a decent backup to pair with a rookie QB.

For Kolb, I'd give up our #6 pick for him, keep Matt and let them battle for the starting job. Two first rounders is too much for a guy who has not started a full season. It's not like he's coming off of a 4500 yard season like Cutler was last year.

McNabb only really has value to a team without a QB. If I was Carolina or Buffalo or especially Arizona. He'd be scary with Arizona's receivers.

Derek Anderson is an AWFUL fit for a westcoast offense, which is why Mike Holmgren wisely kicked him to the curb. He would be just as bad of a fit in Seattle. To be fair though, I'm not sure Anderson would be a fit in any system. He pretty much blows.

Summary of trades in discussion with Philly:
Hass for McNabb
Carroll for Reid

No sources Hawksmack. Just Tweets from different people and hear say. That is why I wrote, "Of course there are NO articles supporting these claims but just rampent media suggesting things and then other media types spreading them. JUST RUMORS!"

I think we all have to realize that people are saying so much crap about the Hawks that now the fans are starting to get paranoid.

The whole reason I wrote the article was to let people know that all of these type of things that have come out from the media, or "unconfirmed sources" are crap.

The only thing that we know for sure from anyone is that Marshall visited via the plane on the lake and some other FA's have visited.

Here is a link below of some rumors and this is a popular website:

http://sea.scout.com/2/952865.html

Ryan J-

I agree with you that this is all a smoke screen and it may be to intice our deal with Denver, but I believe it's more to get value out of our #6. I think they want picks and the more interested we seem in QB's the more people are thinking we may be targeting Bradford or Clausen at #6 barring a deal. I think they saw Wallace as unvaluable and just makes our QB smoke screen have more validity to it. I see teams like the Browns, TB and possibly the Jags taking a long hard look at what we are doing right now and we may get rewarded by it come draft day.

I suspect this is Philly media attempt to orchestrate interest in two over-priced yet unappealing QBs they hope Philly will trade for 1st round picks.

I am officially advocating for the Seahawks to trade up with the Rams and draft Bradford. Two of Seattle's top three picks should be enough.

I am growing to believe that Bradford is a potential top NFL QB, ala Brees/Brady (I know - 2nd/7th round picks respectively) and potentially a Peyton Manning type aquisition.

Seattle might not get this close anytime soon, so get the deal done. The Rams need lots of picks so may be willing to trade, particularly since they can't necessarily utilize Bradford anytime soon, whereas the Seahawks have the option to sit the guy for a year if necessary.

...written all over him. He's fifty fifty at best, and will likely never be an elite talent in the league.

If Bradford is really that good, Rams would not let him go to division rival, even if Seattle offered too much.

You may be right, but part of my opinion is just that - my opinion. If you read the various reports, there are concerns about Bradford's arm strength, his injury, and the offense he played in. All legitimate concerns, so he is not the prototypical John Elway/Peyton Manning kind of QB coming out of college.

So, he may not be valued so highly by the Rams, especially if they don't have any offensive weapons outside of Jackson to support him with.

...and may even start, I don't think he will be a premier talent, when everything gets said and done.

Look it up.

I think giving up both first rounders for a QB like Bradford seems risky. I would rather have both picks, use them to draft BPA and find a QB by other means. Bradford's value does not exceed two BPAs at #6 and #14, in my opinion.

If I was GM and Coach, I'd take a Berry, McCoy or Okung and then a Spiller and be happy with that. They'll get us winning faster.

...isn't the last word in relative value.

And I am not advocating using 6 and 14. Some combination of the top three picks -- 6/40, 14/40 for example -- might be enough. Perhaps some players would be involved.

What matters is what value Seattle and St Louis put on the player and the picks. I don't know if a match can be made, but I would certainly explore it, given the importance of having a really good QB.

...(trading up to the first pick for a franchise QB) that legends are made of (Carroll/Schneider).

If, of course, it works out.

Why would the Rams trade with us? They wont do anything our FO wants them to do. That doesnt happen within the division. It would be like Arizona trading with us for Boldin.

I liked Bradford in college, but IMO you dont trade the farm for one player with a recent MAJOR injury. ITs just not worth the risk. IF we had a Peyton Manning type talent to choose, sure I would support a move up. But not for Bradford and certainly not for Claussen. They just dont have the surefire success worth the risk.

See, that's just the thing: who best evaulates potential talent? If my insight is correct (and I completely accept the possibility, even the likelihood, that it's not) than a couple of years from now the trade will look like the work of genius, if Bradford ends up having the career I am projecting.

Risk - absolutely. That's where the judgment and the cojones come into play.

True. Thus the question becomes does Pete Carroll want to risk his career on Sam Bradford?

If I was him, I wouldn't do it.

Carroll has to risk his Hawks career on a quarterback, but so would any coach because that's our #1, #2 and #3 immediate priority if we are ever going to win again.
Clausen is the best man, he looked like a pro in many of the ND games.

For once I agree with Hawksfan80.

Clausen is the better QB. He has every physical tool that you want in a true pocket QB and while many claim he may not have the Tom Brady type attitue (which is based on pure speculation) I don't see that as a huge deal. Being confidant has never held Phil Rivers or Jay Cutler back and they are two franchise QBs.

Clausen also played under Weis who made Tom Brady the QB that he is today. He played in a pro style offense where he acutally had to make reads, go thru progressions and make more difficult throws than spread guys like Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, Pike, or LeFevour (excuse my spelling on that one).

Bradford scored high on his wonderlic which is impressive, but keep in mind draft bust extrordinair Alex Smith (another spread guys) scored a 40. Peyton Manning also scored around 25, while Matt scored a 30. Guys like Marino and Jim Kelly scored in the teens, just FYI.

There is a very real possibility that both Bradford and Clausen will be gone by 6. If so, which, if any, of the later round options are likely to pan out?

Skelton, LaFeavor, Snead, Robinson? My son likes Colt McCoy...but he's just a teenager and I give him grief for it.

If Bradford and Clausen are gone, I think the Seahawks consider Canfield if he drops to the 5th. I'm just not high on any of the other quarterbacks when it comes to running a pro style offense and while Canfield was spectacular, he had good numbers (something like 3200 yards, 67% completions, 21 TDs and only 7 INTs).

Correction...while Canfield wasn't spectacular,...

I heard the seahawks just acquired Cliff Lee from the mariners to start at QB and gave them Hass to play DH

...is not to select Bradford over Clausen. The idea was that by trading with the Rams, Seattle could pick whichever of the two it thought the best, assuming one of them truly a potential franchise QB.

It's just my personal opinion that Bradford is special, and Clausen not.

But if Seattle believes one of these two guys is 'it' then waiting at 6 is a mistake, cause they won't be there, and trying to trade with Detroit a mistake for two reasons: one, they take the chance of getting the second best QB, plus Washington might out-bid them for the trade.

So if they want their guy, trading up to #1 may be the only way to get it.

The cost charged by an in-Division rival to move to the number one overall pick would be prohibitive, especially given the critical need at a number of positions that wouldn't be able to be filled.

So how about this thought.

Sign T.O. to a 1 year deal. Very little risk and he would be an upgrade over Branch. Then still go after Marshall and hopefully get him for a 2nd rd pick on draft day.

The end result would be TJ, TO and BM for Matt's last year. Not sure those 3 Egos could fit inside the VMAC but it would be fun to watch.

Boys and girls: a franchise quaterback does not a champion make. It takes an entire team. When Brady's team became dismantled recently, the Patriots have struggled. The best QB to ever play the game in Manning has only one ring. Neither of these QB's impress me to the point of need. What hold true in the past, holds true today. The game is won in the trenches. Pass rush, and pass blocking for todays NFL. PERIOD.

Nachtjaeger: What hold true in the past, holds true today. The game is won in the trenches. Pass rush, and pass blocking for todays NFL. PERIOD.

I wouldn't say period, but close. I'd say a team needs at least a middle quality QB to make it to the Superbowl. You can get by with less than a top 5 QB if the rest of your team, and particularly defense, is excellent.

Please don't call Peyton Manning the greatest QB to ever play the game especially when hes not even the greatest to wear a Colts uniform.

I am glad that is settled. Now I can worry about something else now that Nachtjaeger has graced us with his boundless NFL wisdom and settled all issues with his simple proclamation:

Pass rush, and pass blocking for todays NFL. PERIOD.

So it doesn't matter who your QB is, your WRs, the secondary, or the RB. All the same. Just get a good o-line and d-line and sail unmolested into the SB.

Cause it's got to be one thing or the other, right?

Stay put and hold your picks.A trade is to much pressure for the new crew.Go safe, grab a OT,DE,and WR.We can have a fire sale next year when you have a chance to watch this team and get to know the players yourself.Till then lets see what you got.Are we going to be that bad when Matt will start out heathy again.I am wondering how are players are doing now.I would like to know how Matt feels about loosing Nate.Who was the one player on the teams that was running his own routes.In every interview we saw after the season Matt was always talking about one kid does his own thing. .Does anyone know who the mystery player was.Was it Nate?

Since when is picking DL and WR safe? These posistions are every bit as risky as picking a QB, as recent history has shown and a stud WR or DL will never equal any measure of franchise QB.

Playing it safe does not win championships.

Canfield will not be drafted.If he is he will not make a team.Canfield in the fifth.Study up.Sean is junk.

Just get a good o-line and d-line and sail unmolested into the SB.

Now you are getting it. You will have better odds than simply having a great QB. See all four of the conference championship games this past year for validation of this philosophy - especially noting the Jets.

Take a look at the list. Very few mediocre QBs make it to the big game. I count Jim McMahon (85 Bears) and Trent Dilfer (2000 Ravens) and you could add another name or two, but for the most part, these QBs are the best in the game.

On the flip side, how many stud QBs never went to the SB? Dan Marino is about it.

- 1/12/75
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - Louisiana Tech (26)
Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota Vikings - Georgia (34)

X - 1/18/76
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - Louisiana Tech (27)
Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - Navy (33)

XI - 1/9/77
Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - Alabama (31)
Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota Vikings - Georgia (36)

XII - 1/15/78
Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - Navy (35)
Craig Morton, Denver Broncos - California (34)

XIII - 1/21/79
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - Louisiana Tech (30)
Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - Navy (36)

XIV - 1/20/80
Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - Louisiana Tech (31)
Vince Ferragamo, Los Angeles Rams - California, Nebraska (25)

XV - 1/25/81
Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - Stanford (33)
Ron Jaworski, Philadelphia Eagles - Youngstown State (29)

XVI - 1/24/82
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - Notre Dame (25)
Ken Anderson, Cincinnati Bengals - Augustana (IL) (32)

XVII - 1/30/83
Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - Notre Dame (33)
David Woodley, Miami Dolphins - Louisiana State (24)

XVIII - 1/22/84
Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - Stanford (36)
Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - Notre Dame (34)

XIX - 1/20/85
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - Notre Dame (2
Dan Marino, Miami Dolphins - Pittsburgh (23)

XX - 1/26/86
Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - BYU (26)
Tony Eason, New England Patriots - Illinois (26)

XXI - 1/25/87
Phil Simms, New York Giants - Morehead State (32)
John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (26)

XXII - 1/31/88
Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - Grambling (32)
John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (27)

XXIII - 1/22/89
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - Notre Dame (32)
Boomer Esiason, Cincinnati Bengals - Maryland (27)

XXIV - 1/28/90
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - Notre Dame (33)
John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (29)

XXV - 1/27/91
Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - West Virginia (29)
Jim Kelly, Buffalo Bills - Miami (FL) (30)

XXVI - 1/26/92
Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - Washington State (30)
Jim Kelly, Buffalo Bills - Miami (FL) (31)

XXVII - 1/31/93
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - Oklahoma, UCLA (26)
Jim Kelly, Buffalo Bills - Miami (FL) (32)

XXVIII - 1/30/94
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - Oklahoma, UCLA (27)
Jim Kelly, Buffalo Bills - Miami (FL) (33)

XXIX - 1/29/95
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - BYU (33)
Stan Humphries, San Diego Chargers - NE Louisiana (29)

XXX - 1/28/96
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - Oklahoma, UCLA (29)
Neil O'Donnell, Pittsburgh Steelers - Maryland (29)

XXXI - 1/26/97
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - Southern Mississippi (27)
Drew Bledsoe, New England Patriots - Washington State (24)

XXXII - 1/25/98
John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (37)
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - Southern Mississippi (2

XXXIII - 1/31/99
John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (3
Chris Chandler, Atlanta Falcons - Washington (33)

XXXIV - 1/30/00
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - Northern Iowa (2
Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans - Alcorn State (26)

XXXV - 1/28/01
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - Fresno State (2
Kerry Collins, New York Giants - Penn State (2

XXXVI - 2/3/02
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (24)
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - Northern Iowa (30)

XXXVII - 1/26/03
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Florida State (34)
Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders - Delaware (37)

XXXVIII - 2/1/04
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (26)
Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers - Louisiana-Lafayette (29)

XXXVIX - 2/6/05
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (27)
Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia - Syracuse (2

XL - 2/5/06
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - Miami (OH) (23)
Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle - Boston College (30)

XLI - 2/4/07
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - Tennessee (30)
Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears - Florida (26)


XLII - 2/3/08
Eli Manning, New York Giants - Ole Miss (27)
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (30)


XLIII - 2/7/09
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - (26)
Kurt Warner, Arizona Cardinals - (37)

...the Jets are the exception, and they didn't make it precisely because they lacked an elite talent at QB.

Drew Brees (top rated QB the past two years), Peyton Manning (arguable the second best QB in the past decade) and Brett Favre, arguable the best QB who ever played the game.

So how does that prove your point?

Here is a nice little update on our free agency moves so far.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawksblog/2011317536_freeagenttracker.html

Let's take the NFC game.

The winning QB had the time to pass due to protection.

And the Saints' defensive line stopped the Favre.

...his rookie season, but never returned.

I remember how Elway was in the same draft and looked terrible his rookie year, but later appeared in what, five SBs, winning the last two.

Kenny Stabler, Tarkanton, Jim Plunkett, Staubach, Bradshaw, Montana, Young, Warner, Brady...man, what a list.

Of course it takes an entire team, and every position matters. But without question, the single most important person on the field, the one who touches the ball the most, the one whose decisions make the most impact, the one who can win or lose the game in a second, is the QB.

The offensive line is five guys.

The defensive line three or four.

Yes, the QB needs to be protected, he has to have a functioning running game, and a defense that will allow fewer points then the offense can score.

So when draft strategies are considered, and a limited number of players can be added, the highest value pick is for a franchise QB.

Not the only pick, nor the only hole that Seattle needs to address. Just the single most important one.

I don't know if Bradford or Clausen are worthy of first round consideration, let alone being taken number one overall. What I am arguing is that if one of them is, and has the potential to have their name added to the list above, and not just once but multiple times, than it is worth considering using two of Seattle's top three picks to add them to the team.

No two players in the draft are worth one John Elway or Peyton Manning.

Now, if neither Clausen or Bradford are in this class, then it would be a mistake to trade up to draft one of them. Far better off taking McCoy or Berry at 6, and Spiller/Haden/Brown/Best/Bryant at 14, and whoever at 40.

Very few teams make it to the Championship without an outstanding QB. To do so, they must have a killer defense and run game (1985 Bears, for instance). That takes a lot more elite players than most teams can assemble at any one moment.

I agree with all of the points in your last post.

If one of those guys is the man, we should make every effort to get him.

May we get a year in Seattle like Chicago had in 1985. Go 'Hawks!

I can't stand his turn over butt, that said we should be able to get a 7th rounder for him because we are good at trading QB's.

Does anybody find it interesting that McDumbass and the Donkey's released ILB Andre Davis? Don't get me wrong, he is 31 years old. However, he had a hell of year. Nevertheless, I got a weird feeling that if we deal for Marshall, Hawethorn is going to be in the mix of the trade. I'd hate to see the Heater go, but if the Seahawks can land an offensive playmaker like the troubled Marshall, I'd rather give up an undrafted talent than give a 1st rounder for him. Something tells me something BIG is going to shakedown in Seahawkville.

You took my thunder! I just noticed that too. You don't let a player go unless you have someone else lined up.

Andra Davis cut:

http://www.nbc11news.com/sports/headlines/87430492.html

The trade will probably be: #2, Hill/Heater, & Branch.

I'm hoping it's Hill. The heater has more value as he can play both inside and outside linebacker.

When I saw the report about Andra Davis being cut that thought occurred to me as well, but it seems like it'd be much wiser to wait until you've completed the deal to replace him if that's how it's playing out. Although perhaps he was due a roster bonus or something that would have precipitated the move now.

Hawksince77 et. all-
Do you consider Brad Johnson, Trent Dillfer, Rich Gannon, Steve McNair, Jake Delhomme, Eli Manning, and Kerry Collins franchise QB's? Gannon, McNair and Delhomme certainly had good years, and Collins a fantastic carrer(believe it or not)That leaves Warner, Brady, Big Brother, McNabb, and Worthlessberger. 7 out of the last 12 QB's to make the SB in the last 10 years(excluding Matt) are not what I would consider franchise QB's. My point of my post was that a QB is only as good as his team, starting from the line of scrimmage. Of course someone has to run the ball and someone has to catch it, but the top two QB's in Clausen or Bradford will do nothing to advance this team now or in the future. Recent history dictates that a pass rush can take you to the big game(Seahawks and Giants led the league in sacks thier big years)and great O lines go along way too.(Pats, Steelers, hell Seahawks too!) Lineman also tend to have longer careers, justifying, in my opinion higher value. Its great you've been a fan for so long, but that doesnt mean that you are the only one.

Went to the SB in his 2nd year, NOT his rookie year. His rookie year he lost to the Seahawks in the playoffs.

Interesting how Denver just created demand for a LB.

I agree that (#2 + Hill + Branch) = Marshall. Hill was a third rounder and an easier sell in Denver.

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Brad Johnson, Trent Dillfer, Rich Gannon, and Kerry Collins are not nor were they ever franchise QBs. Most of them bounced around until they found success on their second, third or fourth team. None except Gannon was ever really a true QB anyway, they played on very run heavy teams (Dilfer, Collins) or teams with top 10 all time defenses (Dilfer, Johnson). They are all game managers, capable of winning but their main job is to simply not lose the game.

These guys are not in the mold of guys like Manning, Brady, Hasselbeck, Palmer, Brees or Rivers. Guys capable of winning games by themselves with little or no help from their defense or running game. Keep in mind we used Alexander as a closer frequently after Matt had put us ahead in the first half before people start making a fuss about Matt being included in such a lofty group.

We need a true QB of the future and not a guy who is a major project, especially when the rules favor the offense and especially the passing game so much. It is possible to win with a Dilfer or Johnson but lets face it we don't have any Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, or Warren Sapp like players to elevate our defense to that truely elite level.

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