Report: Holmgren May Pursue Seneca

I would jump at a 3rd round pick. Probably take a 4th. If ever there was a year to have as many draft picks as you can get, it is this year.

I love our boy Hasselbeck, but if he goes down- there'd be nobody. I don't know about you guys- but i still want to win. And we're not going to win with any quarterback coming out this year. Keep Seneca around. When protected, he's a great decision maker, and a valuable football player.

I think he deserves to have a shot at starting and carrying "his own team." Seneca can bring big plays but I dont think we will ever use him right as a backup. I think it would be a great trade. How likely would it be to have a Brady Quinn for Seneca Wallace? I think Quinn can be a solid QB but he needs to get out of Cleveland and start over. I dont think this trade would actually happen though.

What about a trade of Wallace for Derek Anderson?

I think Seneca is a joke an if we could get $6 bucks and a box of wheat thins for him, we'd be getting the better end of the deal.

I third round pick or Quinn for Wallace would be great trades for the 'Hawks I think.
I'm not so sure his contributions were so significant. For us, he was an able backup at best.

I like Seneca, but don't think we should keep him around. We need to find our QB of the future, and this is not Seneca.. lets trade and move on. Even if it means stumbling forward with worse backups then he for a while.

They're not talking about Wallace. It's Hass Holmgren wants.

I'd be shocked if we got 3rd or 4th for the ageing backup, he will never be a starter.....

Who knows how suited Seneca with be in the new system? Any guesses out there? It took him long enough to get comfortable with the WCO....If he Flees to the Clev....any other quality journeyman QB could be the backup (and mentor) to a young QB we draft....ala that kid Pike

If this happens, Ill be happy for Seneca. There are a lot of teams where Seneca would be the Starter. Hes been great Here in Seattle, but if we dont use him, give him a chance somewhere else. Specially if we can pick up an extra draft pick (3-5 round).

Seneca's a great athlete but a slow learner. He'd be all-but-useless as a back up for us this year as we install a new system, again. Get a bag of chips or better for him, and let's move on.

With Hasselbecks health a question mark, and the fact that he only has one year left under his contract, it doesnt seem prudent to me to trade your backup away. While Seneca isnt as young as we would like, he doesnt have much mileage on his tires.

I would think that it makes more sense to keep Wallace around another year or two, considering Matt could be injured midseason--and then what? Teel as our starter?! Or whatever qb we draft this year starting as a rookie?! That sounds like disaster to me.

It makes sense to me to see what Matt does this year. If he plays well and doesnt fall apart, offer him a contract: if you lose him, Wallace is the starter and should be better than anyone else we could get for a few years until either Teel or the qb we draft this year or next is ready.

I am not concerned with Wallace's showing last season in Knapp's awful offense. Wallace looked like the best backup in the NFL under Holmgren, and I think for his cheap price, he is worth hanging onto to see if he can excell in Caroll and Bates' new system.

If we lose Hass to old age/injury in the next year or two, even Claussen or Bradford, neither of whom will become Seahawks, would save us. Wallace is better than any journeyman qb out there who might become available. So why dump him like yesterdays garbage?

But hey, if Caroll and company dont really want him, we are lacking a third round pick. I could see trading him for a third and a fifth or something like that. I would at least make Holmy give up a third and a seventh.

It would be cool to see Seneca given a chance to be the starter in Cleveland from Snap 1 of training camp. Ive always wondered what Seneca could do if given all of camp and a whole season to learn his position.

I love his touch on deep balls, and he made some throws low and away from the DB's that Hasselbeck couldnt have made in a million years. ITs Wallaces lack of experience in games that hurts him--the dumb decisions and hesitation that kills him. Personally, I think with a year under his belt, Wallace would learn to be a much better reader of defenses.

And I absolutely loved his fiery demeanor in the huddle when rallying his teammates for a fourth quarter drive. He almost beat the Pats two years ago with a crap line and crap WR's. Thats a real accomplishment. And he would have beaten them, except on third and 10 yards to a field goal, the line collapsed instantly under the Pats rush and he was crushed before he could take his second step. Not his fault.

So if Holmgren can get Wallace, good for him. Wallace has the leadership and arm to be a hell of a qb in the right system. But I hope we keep him.

Brady Quinn sucks. ANd he's a total loser of a human being.

Id take a third for Seneca. But if they want us to take Quinn off thier hands, I want a third and a fourth! Ha!

I'd rather have Anderson than Quinn any day.

Why is Brady Quinn a "total loser of a human being"?
That seems harsh and puts him in the group with murderous gang members.

How awesome would it be if Holmgren took one of his big mistakes with him! There are a lot of backups in the league who are better than Hasselbeck, just about any new aquisition will improve our passing game.

clayton says he thinks Holmie may release Anderson and would keep Quinn...interesting.

I agree with Hawksince77. Holmgren is looking for Hass to help him shine in his first full year as GM. I'd take a Hass for Anderson+3rd rounder. Anderson looked really good that one year. Not sure if he regressed because of the "Browns" or what? Worth a chance since Hass won't last too much longer. We won't be better than 8-8 (that would be a great record for us) next year anyways. Lets get the picks and some building blocks for the future. I sure hope we don't give up our first rounder (either of them for Marshall).

I think you are totally off the mark on Seneca. While he does have a few athletic skills and a reasonable arm, perhaps a good arm even, he is about as smart as a broken light switch. His bulb never goes on. EVERY time he needed to think quickly in any form of a crucial play, he folded like a cheap suit. I would play ANYONE in front of him, for at least they might do something good, but Seneca NEVER will. He has had chance after chance.
While I'm not too high on Quinn, I would be happy to have him if given a choice between him and Sencat. I am quite positive that Teel would be 5 times the QB Seneca is if given a year.
To have an opportunity to dump him is fantastic, and as mentioned before, if we got a bottle of flat pepsi, we would be getting the better end of the deal. If we got ANY draft pick, we would have a slam dunk of a deal.
Seneca will never be a good QB, let alone be a successful QB.
He simply doesn't have the mental makeup to be bigtime. We have seen it again and again. How many times did you see him run out of bounds on the sideline when being chased, and instead of just throwing it away, he took a 7 yard loss. How many times?
Sorry for the rant, but he just doesn't have it, and I'm so tired of him playing instead of letting somebody that might have skill (Teel) sitting on the bench. Thanks MORA...

Seneca was good in Holmgren's system, but sucked under Knapp's coaching. Then again, EVERYONE sucked with Knapp in charge.

I don't know if how Seneca would do under Carroll/Bates, but I believe they could think of some interesting ways to use his talents.

As much as I like and respect Hass, I think he needs to be the guy who goes if we trade anyone to Cleveland.

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I say take what ever we can get if we draft a QB this year with Hass, Teel and ?, Seneca becomes the odd man out anyway and he is not that good.

Great touch on deep balls????? He overthrows the receiver more then not.

WE HAVE A BACK UP, He's called MIKE TEEL. I think Teel will make a fine back up to Hass. He plays more like Matt, it would give us a chance to evaluate him if we don't take a quarterback this year, and besides, when has Seneca ever taken us to the playoffs when Matt has gone down?

No brainer...get what you can for him.

Ill tell you one thing, Holmgren knows his QBs, Wouldn't be surprised to see Seneca Wallace flourish after being traded, (most hawks do anyway)

I would love to see him go. He may start there and then we would just see my point proven that he is only a back up guy and barely that. we need to start thinking QB's and getting rid of him would make room for the next franchise guy to learn under Matt for a couple of seasons.

I can think of two Seahawks that have done well after leaving the team (Weaver, Lucas) but countless who fell into nothing (D. Jackson, Hackett, to name two off the top of my head).

And most of us knew that Weaver shouldn't have been let go (I don't remember the Lucas story).

Anyway, I can't see Wallace or Hasselbeck doing great anywhere, but Hass might be a good option for Cleveland next year. I think trading him to the Browns would be a win-win-win (Seahawks-Browns-Hasselbeck).

The Hasselbeck era for the Seahawks is most likely over, and it's time to move on. Trading Hasselbeck would accelerate the process.

He SUCKS!!!
Deal with it!!!
If you could trade and get a rusty staple for him, at least you would be able to hang a photograph of a good QB...

My issue with Seneca is that is is a legitimate slow learner. Dude has a learning disability. It would take him a while to learn the Bates system. Plus if we draft Clausen then he would just be taking practice snaps away from him. If we are able to get Clausen with the 6th pick he has to be the back up in order to have time to learn. 3rd string QBs get very few snaps in practice. I would be kool with getting a 5th for Seneca and grabbing a O-linemen with the pick for Gibbs to work with.

This one's obvious.... We need Seneca's jersey # 15 for Marshall !

Hawksince77-

Actually thinking that getting rid of Hass is a good move this year is not only unrealistic and ridiculous, but a recipe for disaster. Guys like Ryan, Rothelsberger and Flacco don't happen very often. Most rookie QB's that get thrown into the gun fodder struggle and don't flourish well or take MUCH longer as we have seen with guys like Russell, Leaf, Stafford, Freeman, Sanchez, Leinart to name a few. And if you look at the ones who performed well you see that they were put on teams that were ALREADY good teams. If we got rid of Hass we can add one more name to that list and we will be behind in development for a few more years. Hass will be fine and MUCH better than a rookie. I agree that we need a future QB but ANY QB will benefit from sitting a couple years. Everything about our situation would spell a bust/waste of a draft pick and the end of a career for a young athlete if we toss him in there too early. Good luck with that.

I agree with "recordblender"...no one is even thinking of Teel let alone giving him some props.Another thing Seneca can return,receive,throw,run...I mean we should have come up with the wild-cat 1st.He showed us a few yrs. back he can fill in anywhere and we need to do that with him.That type of a threat on the field would keep D's so "Yeagered up" (running around in a drunken stupor)...that is just my opinion.

Slave,
If Matt goes down, we're toast anyhow...if, say, we split our first four games and Matt goes down, the difference between Teel and Wallace is possibly getting the first pick in the 2011 draft (Locker) and picking around 8 or 9...between 3rd place in the division and 4th place...Wallace for a third? Awesome...for a fourth, pretty good, a fifth...(depends on the fifth...if it's a single malt that's old enough to drink itself, I'd go for it in a heartbeat!)

My problem with Wallace is that he has shown that he is ONLY a backup. In my opinion you should have 2 starting calibur QB's on your team, the starter and the future. I don't want a QB because he "fills in adequately", I want a guy who if our QB suffers a career ending injury, he can come right in and pick up where we left off. We need a winner, not a guy to just bridge the gap.

I think that is where our program has faltered a bit and really Holmgren, of all guys, should have been on top of this. Hopefully Schneiders philosophy on QB's now is the same as it was in GB. The transition from Favre to Rodgers is what I expect from him, which is why it is important we keep Hass for a few more years if he can produce adequately.

I'm all for getting a pick for Wallace. Bringing in a guy like LeFavour, Snead or Skelton would make me happy with a 4th or 5th we might get for him.

If we get Brandon Marshall, he may ask Seneca for his number..haha. Well, now he won't have to. Reminds me of when Engram left and TJ was able to go with 84. Coincidence? I think not! lol

Quinn's first couple years in the league were filled with stories of his asshole behavior. The guy acts like Biff from Back to the Future. Search PFT's site for older stories about QUinn. He's a turd. Besides which, he thinks he's Joe Montana, but he plays more like Kelly Stouffer.

As for Wallace showing that hes only a backup, I disagree. Matt sucked even after having an entire training camp as the starter. He only started playing like a true NFL qb in the last six games of that year. In fact, Holmgren kept trying to hand him the reins the two years previous, and Matt kept screwing it up worse than Seneca.

I dont think anyone knows for sure what Seneca can do if given training camp and a full season as a starter with competent NFL WR's and a decent offensive line. And the fact the Mike Holmgren, molder of two Pro Bowl and Super Bowl QB's disagree's with you all, only reinforces my opinion that Wallace is better than many on this blog think.

Sorry guys, but his opinion is far more likely to be right than yours!

I didnt meant that to sound harsh. I just mean that Holmgren knows qb's, and Wallace, far better than us fans.

Seneca had more than we've gotten out of him. He's never been in a position to run a team from day 1 of training camp. Always a backup, never a starter - has to have an impact on his readiness.

Today, he is a decent journeyman with some upside. I've alays liked the guy, even though some of his play can be frustrating. However, Matt's frustrated me more.

Hass's short comings came from injury, Seneca's came from only himself. He is a good BACKUP which is what Holmy is interested in. If that wasn't the case they why didn't he start? Bottom line is that he is an aging back up who has proven a lot other than being able to sit in the pocket and pass like a true NFL QB. Teel has a year under his belt, Hass is our vet QB and now it's time to get rid of our aging BACK UP and get some youth in here to start developing our QB core like they have in GBay.

Look, maybe it would be different if Seneca was given the reins to training camp, but he was not good enough to be in that position and for that reason again he won't have that position. Hass is next years QB and Seneca is going to play the role he was meant to play in the NFL. Why keep him around for mediocracy like we always have. He certainly is not the future of this team so why keep him? Get what you can out of him and bring in a young talent that actually has a shot of being a starting NFL QB.

I cannot believe someone said Wallace makes good decisions. He ran out of bounds for 10 yard losses like 3 times in 2 games and a college QB would never do that. Not the sharpest knife in the kitchen.. If we could somehow get an early 4th or 5th from Big Mike DO IT!

I dont think anyone knows for sure what Seneca can do if given training camp and a full season as a starter with competent NFL WR's and a decent offensive line.

This is true. We have seen hints. Wallace came within one completion of tying the Seahawk record for consecutive passes without an interception. This is part of the reason I keep saying the Seahawks are far from desperate when it comes to taking a huge risk on a high draft pick QB.

He certainly is not the future of this team so why keep him? Get what you can out of him and bring in a young talent that actually has a shot of being a starting NFL QB.

The very fact that the quarterback guru of the NFL, who knows about a thousand times more details and information about Wallace than any of us is interested in trying Wallace as the QB of his team, should make every single Wallace detractor start to question what they think of him, shouldn't it?

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