| 05 March 2010
Bradon Marshall's pending visit to Seattle has already turned into quite the polarizing topic, and it's only gettng more attention by the minute.
Though both sides of the argument make sense (on-field performance vs. off-field character issues), we need to look at the risk investment the Seahawks are possibly making by adding Marshall.
First of all, look at his stats. He's posted over 100 catches in each of the past three seasons, and that's from Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton alike. In each of those three seasons, he's tallied over 1,000 receiving yards, averaging roughly 12 yards per catch. If Denver loses him, they'll be sorely lacking a vital offensive weapon, but Marshall has already made it clear that he's tired of Denver and needs a change of scenery sooner rather than later.
But if he can play that well while disgruntled and unhappy, imagine what he can do if he's content with where he is.
Kevin Roberts at Bleacher Report makes a strong case for the Seahawks pursuing Marshall as well. Roberts:
From a risk standpoint, the Seahawks aren't throwing anymore on the line than any other team would and instead of drafting a young receiver with one of their first round picks, they'd be getting a 25-year-old stud receiver who has caught 100+ balls in each of the past three seasons.
The Seahawks are also said to be interested in landing a quarterback in the 2010 NFL Draft and acquiring an ultra-talented receiver like Marshall could go a long way in speeding up the development of whichever passer they select.
This move just makes too much sense by now to pass on. The fact that the Seahawks have two first-round draft picks is a luxury, and giving one of them back to Denver (poetically enough, the source in which they acquired the pick in the first place) is a worthy price to pay for a player like Marshall. The other pick, as Roberts says, can be used on a QB of the future, but I'd favor an offensive lineman first. Matt Hasselbeck can perform at a high level when he has pass protection better than cellophane. (On a side note, it's also good to see Schneider and Carroll going after a proven lineman like Ben Hamilton, also from the Broncos.)
Mike Sando also chimes in with some insight that may answer a few questions about how the deal would go down here.
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written by Highlander, March 05, 2010
written by Highlander, March 05, 2010
(On a side note, it's also good to see Schneider and Carroll going after a proven lineman like Ben Hamilton, also from the Broncos.)
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Ben Hamilton, the Broncos’ longest-tenured offensive lineman and the front’s unofficial captain the past two years, has a visit set up with the Seattle Seahawks. Other teams are also interested. In Seattle, Hamilton no doubt was recommended by Jeremy Bates, the Seahawks’ new and Broncos’ former play caller.
source: http://blogs.denverpost.com/br...-seahawks/
hattip to Seahawk insider, where I found the link.
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Ben Hamilton, the Broncos’ longest-tenured offensive lineman and the front’s unofficial captain the past two years, has a visit set up with the Seattle Seahawks. Other teams are also interested. In Seattle, Hamilton no doubt was recommended by Jeremy Bates, the Seahawks’ new and Broncos’ former play caller.
source: http://blogs.denverpost.com/br...-seahawks/
hattip to Seahawk insider, where I found the link.
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written by plumpshady, March 05, 2010
written by plumpshady, March 05, 2010
If the new front office regime is so out of whack to ship our #6 pick for this guy, we're f_cked as an organization.
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written by upengineer, March 05, 2010
written by upengineer, March 05, 2010
Clausen wont be there at 14, we will have to take a tackle at 14. If we give up our #6 we wont get our QB !
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written by halkggogog, March 05, 2010
written by halkggogog, March 05, 2010
Wait can someone explain to me why we have to give up #6?
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written by Highlander, March 05, 2010
written by Highlander, March 05, 2010
DE Brayton to Visit Seahawks on Sunday
Free agent DE Tyler Brayton (Carolina Panthers) is scheduled to visit the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday, a league source told Scout.com. Brayton, who signed a two-year, $4.65 million deal with the Panthers in March of 2008, started 31 games during his time with the team.
What makes Brayton an attractive player to teams is his ability to play end and tackle.
Brayton was originally selected by the Oakland Raiders in the first round of the
source: http://profootball.scout.com/2/951373.html
Free agent DE Tyler Brayton (Carolina Panthers) is scheduled to visit the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday, a league source told Scout.com. Brayton, who signed a two-year, $4.65 million deal with the Panthers in March of 2008, started 31 games during his time with the team.
What makes Brayton an attractive player to teams is his ability to play end and tackle.
Brayton was originally selected by the Oakland Raiders in the first round of the
source: http://profootball.scout.com/2/951373.html
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written by dcsilverthorn, March 05, 2010
written by dcsilverthorn, March 05, 2010
pft says we dont have to give the 6th rnd pick... it can be the 14th and its up to the teams to negotiate...
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written by Tom1700, March 05, 2010
written by Tom1700, March 05, 2010
It is our #6 because that is Seattle's orginal #1 they can't use another teams #1. That said it will involve a trade with Denver it won't be an offer sheet so We will have to wait and see what we have to give up. Maybe our 2nd this year and next or 2nd and 4th or 2nd and player (Hawthorne, Branch) This does not automatically mean we are giving up either of our #1 picks.
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Look at the Marshall highlights and tell me you don't want him...
written by Billy Showbiz, March 05, 2010
written by Billy Showbiz, March 05, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqv4Xa3Ur3I
This kid is a beast. As long as he stays healthy and does not get any crazier than he already is he will have a Hall of Fame career. Size, speed & the ability to make plays with the ball in his hands. The guy is a hell of a blocker too.
Ideally we are able to land him without giving up the 6 pick. If we give up the 14th I would think that we'd be able to grab a 3rd or 4th round pick from Denver along with it. Honestly if we're talking potential play makers in the draft at 14 does anyone really think that Spiller or Dez Bryant (who both would likely be gone) would be better than Marshall? There has been lots of talk about how this draft does not have the dominant Andre Johnson type receiver. Well, Marshall is that type of receiver.
I've got my fingers crossed that we are able to make this work at a reasonable price.
This kid is a beast. As long as he stays healthy and does not get any crazier than he already is he will have a Hall of Fame career. Size, speed & the ability to make plays with the ball in his hands. The guy is a hell of a blocker too.
Ideally we are able to land him without giving up the 6 pick. If we give up the 14th I would think that we'd be able to grab a 3rd or 4th round pick from Denver along with it. Honestly if we're talking potential play makers in the draft at 14 does anyone really think that Spiller or Dez Bryant (who both would likely be gone) would be better than Marshall? There has been lots of talk about how this draft does not have the dominant Andre Johnson type receiver. Well, Marshall is that type of receiver.
I've got my fingers crossed that we are able to make this work at a reasonable price.
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written by plumpshady, March 05, 2010
written by plumpshady, March 05, 2010
The asking price for Marshall is a 1st round pick and we have to give up our own 1st rounder (#6) not the 14th we got from Denver which was their 1st round pick.
Danny O'neil clarified with NFL and posted as such on his blog..
But if they do a sign and trade then compensation can be any pick no matter the round and even personnel can be included in the trade.
Danny O'neil clarified with NFL and posted as such on his blog..
But if they do a sign and trade then compensation can be any pick no matter the round and even personnel can be included in the trade.
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Hey Billy Showbiz
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
NICE! Those highlights were unbelievable. I had to stop counting the missed tackles. He is a stud! Count how many times it took three+ guys to bring him down compared to how many guys couldn't, LMAO! We need a play maker like him. It will definitely cause defensive coaches to stay up all night figuring a game plan in which they will have to change through Sunday's game anyhow! I love it! Qwest Field will be soooooooooo freak'n loud!
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written by halkggogog, March 05, 2010
written by halkggogog, March 05, 2010
Okay so what I heard and think is that We offer marshall a contract and broncos have to match it, and if they dont then we have to give up a trade along with our #6 pick??? or not? DETAILSS!!
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written by @seahawksfan, March 05, 2010
written by @seahawksfan, March 05, 2010
The weather in Seattle is going to be fantastic on Saturday. Come on Brandon, figure out a fair contract. Then we just have to fleece McDaniels into a trade. Im thinking #6 and Branch for Marshall and Denvers #45. Im Ok with giving up #6 as there is not really a great fit at that spot.
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written by hawksfan80, March 05, 2010
written by hawksfan80, March 05, 2010
Marshall would be a great asset but we still need a quarterback who can hit these receivers. Currently the Hawks have a starter who should be a backup and a backup who shouldn't be in the NFL. I just don't want to see us waste a new offensive line and good receivers on Hass. I hope Clausen is there at 6!
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Sign and Trade?
written by mterui, March 05, 2010
written by mterui, March 05, 2010
So how does a sign and trade work? I would love to get Marshall for our 40th and some players(Deion). How could that work out?
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written by Jon B, March 05, 2010
written by Jon B, March 05, 2010
mterui,
We would trade then sign. If we sign we are forced to give them #6 because of the tender placed on him. But if we trade we can negotiate terms and it is basically a void of that tender because we have taken the Broncos claim on Marshal as soon as we do sign him.
We would trade then sign. If we sign we are forced to give them #6 because of the tender placed on him. But if we trade we can negotiate terms and it is basically a void of that tender because we have taken the Broncos claim on Marshal as soon as we do sign him.
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written by mmf, March 05, 2010
written by mmf, March 05, 2010
And Seattle's offensive coordinator is Jeremy Bates, who worked with Marshall in Denver; the Seahawks' receivers coach is Jedd Fisch, who also worked with Marshall.Many things are looking good for this to happen.We really need a QB and Line help but this is just looking to good
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Marshall has got more moves than I thought
written by bamcderm, March 05, 2010
written by bamcderm, March 05, 2010
Thanks for the clip. Looks like a good YAC guy. Wonder how he would mesh with Housh? That would be a potentially flammable situation.
I don't think we'll need to give up the 6, though. Maybe the 14 and Branch for Marshall and a third?
I don't think we'll need to give up the 6, though. Maybe the 14 and Branch for Marshall and a third?
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Marshall won't be Worth It
written by Tombone, March 05, 2010
written by Tombone, March 05, 2010
Ok, hawks just spent 40 million over 5 years on TJ, their No. 2 receiver. If hawks sign Marshall, he'll be the no. 1 receiver, and they'd need to pay Marshall more than TJ. Otherwise they'll risk another discipline issue from this egomaniac.
Paul Allen is an idiot if he signs Marshall. Sure he's rich as hell, but why spend all that money on WRs and give up a draft pick when you're depleted at o-line, rbs, defence, and have an old washed out QB?
The other issue is that Pete Carrol will have his hands full with Marshall. It's a tall enough order for a new coach coming from college taking over a crap team, but he has to control Marshall also?
This is a disaster waiting to happen.
Paul Allen is an idiot if he signs Marshall. Sure he's rich as hell, but why spend all that money on WRs and give up a draft pick when you're depleted at o-line, rbs, defence, and have an old washed out QB?
The other issue is that Pete Carrol will have his hands full with Marshall. It's a tall enough order for a new coach coming from college taking over a crap team, but he has to control Marshall also?
This is a disaster waiting to happen.
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written by halkboy15, March 05, 2010
written by halkboy15, March 05, 2010
halkfan80-
I am 10000000% with you!! I am a huge clausen fan, I think you give him a chance he will produce in a high level. I agree with you all the way, I love for marshall to be on the hawks but I just dont want to get ride of our #6 because that is most likley our only chance for Clausen and This upcoming draft is the best time for us to get our franchise quarterback.
I am 10000000% with you!! I am a huge clausen fan, I think you give him a chance he will produce in a high level. I agree with you all the way, I love for marshall to be on the hawks but I just dont want to get ride of our #6 because that is most likley our only chance for Clausen and This upcoming draft is the best time for us to get our franchise quarterback.
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the deal will be long term ...
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
and a lot of money! He wants more than Larry Fitzgerald who signed a $40 mill 4yr contract back in 2008. I would almost guarantee this will be a 50 mill 4yr or 60 mill 5yr. It will be a hefty contract. If Paul Allen wants to pay it, let him pay it. Remember...no cap.
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written by Recordblender, March 05, 2010
written by Recordblender, March 05, 2010
A first round tender means the absolute most you would have to give up is a first round pick. NOT A FIRST, THIRD AND EXTRAS.
However, the new front office is not going to trade either of our first two round picks. I can almost guarantee it will be a second, and whatever else is needed to sweeten the deal. Worst case scenario next years 2nd, best case scenario Deion Branch.
However, the new front office is not going to trade either of our first two round picks. I can almost guarantee it will be a second, and whatever else is needed to sweeten the deal. Worst case scenario next years 2nd, best case scenario Deion Branch.
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Pull the triggerr!!
written by halkboy15, March 05, 2010
written by halkboy15, March 05, 2010
I just cant see, Marshall leaving tommorow without a contract. The only negative in the deal for me is the #6 pick.
Well 1st I doubt the broncos will try and match the offer we could give marshall and 2nd I would be happy with giving away our #6 since the only reasonable player i think there is Clausen.
So our 6 and branch and maybe Hawthorne for marshall and there 2nd round pick. Then we could get a cheap solid 3 or 4 reciever like maybe kelly washington or Malcom floyd. Then try and sign Aaron Kampman.
Then in the draft with the 14th pick we could get the best LT there. And with our 2nd round maybe Colt mccoy? or Jevan Snead? or even taylor mays if he is there. We just need a franchise quarterback in this upcoming draft. And with broncos 2nd round pick if we dont get mays then we could get best saftey there.
How about it?
Well 1st I doubt the broncos will try and match the offer we could give marshall and 2nd I would be happy with giving away our #6 since the only reasonable player i think there is Clausen.
So our 6 and branch and maybe Hawthorne for marshall and there 2nd round pick. Then we could get a cheap solid 3 or 4 reciever like maybe kelly washington or Malcom floyd. Then try and sign Aaron Kampman.
Then in the draft with the 14th pick we could get the best LT there. And with our 2nd round maybe Colt mccoy? or Jevan Snead? or even taylor mays if he is there. We just need a franchise quarterback in this upcoming draft. And with broncos 2nd round pick if we dont get mays then we could get best saftey there.
How about it?
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Record blender
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
Yeah, that's probably right. I don't mind the scenario of this years 2nd and next season 2nd. This guy is worth it. Everyone is so hung up on his baggage that they don't understand the play making ability that we need on this team. We do not have a play maker! Actually, Marshall will make TJ look better on the field. TJ will be wide open from Marshall being double teamed. So, we will have 2 play makers!
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Marshalls off field issues
written by Hawksfan1991, March 05, 2010
written by Hawksfan1991, March 05, 2010
Jeremy Bates knows this guy, Jedd Fisch knows this guy. If his personality wasn't something they thought they couldn't handle, Marshall wouldn't even be coming for a visit
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halkboy 15
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
Dude, it a guaranteed sign. Brandon will be immensely thrilled once he sees the city of Seattle in all it's glory from a beautiful 64 degree full sunny day. He will be shitting his pants once he sees the majestic Mt. Rainier. If it got to TJ Houshmanzadeh, then it should with Brandon Marshall. Then a plane ride down on to Lake Washington with an escort on the red carpet into the VMAC. Once inside he will be in awe of the facilities that Paul Allen put his money into. Pate Carroll, Jeremy Bates, and John Schneider will not let Brandon Marshall leave with out signing.
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More than just Marshall
written by Status One, March 05, 2010
written by Status One, March 05, 2010
To elaborate a little more on what Farmer Paul was saying, I think you can also look at getting Marshall in not only getting a BIG TIME playmaker (which can often make up for a suspect line) but you're getting TWO. Marshall will improve Housh even more than Ochocinco did because Marshall is even more of a threat. This deal means were getting 1.5 players because the .5 is the vast improvement we'll see with TJ once he is back in a familiar role.
The question now is what is that worth? To me, I just can't give up #6. There's just too many good things that could happen there. #14 is a debate with #40 + Branch being the best scenario possible in my mind. You RARELY get a shot at a big time player (unless you're the Rams/Lions) so we should try and keep #6 AND get Marshall thus getting two potential big time players.
The question now is what is that worth? To me, I just can't give up #6. There's just too many good things that could happen there. #14 is a debate with #40 + Branch being the best scenario possible in my mind. You RARELY get a shot at a big time player (unless you're the Rams/Lions) so we should try and keep #6 AND get Marshall thus getting two potential big time players.
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I read somewhere...
written by Hawksince77, March 05, 2010
written by Hawksince77, March 05, 2010
...(probably on an earlier post in this site) that Denver didn't wan't the #6 pick and the compensation that would go with it.
Not sure if that makes sense, but maybe...
Not sure if that makes sense, but maybe...
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Denver #6
written by Status One, March 05, 2010
written by Status One, March 05, 2010
Yeah, I remember reading that too. Something about how the owner is in penny-pinching mode. Funny how different sources get mixed up, especially on such a news-heavy day like today. I REALLY hope that is the case (Broncos owner not wanting #6).
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Denver not wanting #6
written by elliottmew, March 05, 2010
written by elliottmew, March 05, 2010
There was a post somewhere on here about Denver's owner trying to "penny-pinch". Maybe Denver doesn't even want the #6 pick because they don't want to have to pay what #6 will get.
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Bad Juju
written by Studwiser, March 05, 2010
written by Studwiser, March 05, 2010
Hopefully his agent has set this up as a benchmark setting interview so they can leverage their position when they talk to the Danny Sniders of the NFL. I can hear him and his agent now "Hey Paul Allen has lots of money. Let's talk to the Seahawks first."
Pete's Marshall Plan should be a low-ball offer as I seriously doubt he has any real interest in playing in Seattle anyway.
Pete's Marshall Plan should be a low-ball offer as I seriously doubt he has any real interest in playing in Seattle anyway.
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Studwiser
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
Why wouldn't he have interest in playing for Seattle? Marshall has an incredible relationship with Jeremy Bates and Jedd Fisch. I guarantee he would love to play for Seattle knowing those two gentlemen are here! Doesn't have interest playing here? What are you talking about?
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Marshall haters....
written by HawksovermyMarriage, March 05, 2010
written by HawksovermyMarriage, March 05, 2010
You've got to be kidding me, You in no way want this guy on your team?! I'm as much of a Seahawk Addict as ALL of you are, But if it helps our team win then go all out and get him. What happened to Everyone "Have trust in JS and PC?"
That's all I keep hearing everyone say until now? All of a sudden its "A mistake" Yeah it will be a mistake when he is pulling double coverage off a housh in the slot and allowing the other receivers get open because they are being played in man. SAFETIES WILL PLAY DEEP WITH A GUY LIKE THIS ON YOUR TEAM, What does that do??? Open up the run game.....
When you really think about it and quit complaining. Its just the way I want PC and JS to put there stamp on this team.
That's all I keep hearing everyone say until now? All of a sudden its "A mistake" Yeah it will be a mistake when he is pulling double coverage off a housh in the slot and allowing the other receivers get open because they are being played in man. SAFETIES WILL PLAY DEEP WITH A GUY LIKE THIS ON YOUR TEAM, What does that do??? Open up the run game.....
When you really think about it and quit complaining. Its just the way I want PC and JS to put there stamp on this team.
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written by Ryan J, March 05, 2010
written by Ryan J, March 05, 2010
I have been surfing for a while now to find other interest in Marshall besides the Seahawks, and I can't really find any. With lack of interest comes the real possibility that we could keep both of our first rounders. A deal for #40 overall and Branch or Hawthorne is really late first round value, which is where I believe Denver's price is.
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written by Ryan J, March 05, 2010
written by Ryan J, March 05, 2010
remember that they have to worry about a team that has a late first round pick just signing him outright.
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written by Status One, March 05, 2010
written by Status One, March 05, 2010
If I remember correctly (which I could very well not have) the top 8 teams of last year have to wait for one of their own RFA's to leave before they can sign one so that's also something to think about. Still, you bring up a good point. This is by no means a "lock" but at the same time we don't want to offer them the house and have nothing to further build off of.
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@HawksovermyMarriage
written by Louis Phan, March 05, 2010
written by Louis Phan, March 05, 2010
Well said...
Rob over at Seahawksdraft.blogspot.com was talking about how we need a big playmaker in the draft to make our offense respected so the opposing team doesnt rush our oline with no fear of a big play. Why draft one when you can get a proven big play WR?
We need a WR...Housh, Butler, Obamanu. Do you guys REALLY want those as our top WRs? Dez Bryant is the best WR in the draft, but he is unproven and his potential is probably well below where Marshall is NOW. Marshall's not some washed up 37 year old like Terrell Owens (at least i think hes 37), Marshall is 25!!!
Im hoping and praying that we can get Marshall. Giving the 6th pick is okay (maybe slightly, just SLIGHTLY disappointed), 14th pick is awesome, but giving up just our 40th pick + personnel would be a dream!
Rob over at Seahawksdraft.blogspot.com was talking about how we need a big playmaker in the draft to make our offense respected so the opposing team doesnt rush our oline with no fear of a big play. Why draft one when you can get a proven big play WR?
We need a WR...Housh, Butler, Obamanu. Do you guys REALLY want those as our top WRs? Dez Bryant is the best WR in the draft, but he is unproven and his potential is probably well below where Marshall is NOW. Marshall's not some washed up 37 year old like Terrell Owens (at least i think hes 37), Marshall is 25!!!
Im hoping and praying that we can get Marshall. Giving the 6th pick is okay (maybe slightly, just SLIGHTLY disappointed), 14th pick is awesome, but giving up just our 40th pick + personnel would be a dream!
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written by Beercan, March 05, 2010
written by Beercan, March 05, 2010
I seriously doubt that the seahawks will actually sign him to an offer sheet tomorrow. I think that there will be an agreement made on what he would accept, and then the 'hawks will negotiate with Denver to acquire him. My gut feeling is that we will have to do something with the 40th pick to get it done, but i don't see any other teams giving up a 1st round pick for him.
I could possibly see us Trading the 14 & Hawthorne to Denver for Marshall and the #45 pick. If that were the case, i would hope that we take the best available tackle at #6.
I could possibly see us Trading the 14 & Hawthorne to Denver for Marshall and the #45 pick. If that were the case, i would hope that we take the best available tackle at #6.
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Just get him no matter the cost..
written by Doug H, March 05, 2010
written by Doug H, March 05, 2010
How can anyone not drool over the possibility of getting perhaps the most dominant receiver in the league? I mean jeepers people, get a fricking clue! This dude will completely change the makeup of the O, and create instant problems for everybody else. He will instantly make every other aspect of the game stronger.
Don't you remember Terrell Owens as a young receiver? Unstoppable!
Sign that man up!!!!!
Don't you remember Terrell Owens as a young receiver? Unstoppable!
Sign that man up!!!!!
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@Doug H
written by Louis Phan, March 05, 2010
written by Louis Phan, March 05, 2010
@ Doug H, Exactly, Marshall is as dominant a WR you can get.
I mean...22 catches in ONE game? Unreal.
People think "oh, its just a WR we're not in the win now mode," but "just a WR" will open up everything.
Our WRs will be feared with Marshall and Housh, forcing them to play safeties deep blah blah etc, at the same time opening up our running game.
People might say "oh, how can we do good if our QB has no line to protect him.
The thing is...if teams try to blitz on us, then our QB will have Marshall and Housh being covered by just 1 man. Aka...big play possibilites.
So Marshall makes a bigger difference on our offense than it may appear...
I mean...22 catches in ONE game? Unreal.
People think "oh, its just a WR we're not in the win now mode," but "just a WR" will open up everything.
Our WRs will be feared with Marshall and Housh, forcing them to play safeties deep blah blah etc, at the same time opening up our running game.
People might say "oh, how can we do good if our QB has no line to protect him.
The thing is...if teams try to blitz on us, then our QB will have Marshall and Housh being covered by just 1 man. Aka...big play possibilites.
So Marshall makes a bigger difference on our offense than it may appear...
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written by CamanoIslandJQ, March 05, 2010
written by CamanoIslandJQ, March 05, 2010
So, as I understand it: No offer sheet, the hawks negotiate with Marshall on his personal deal, if that deal is agreeable, then the second negotiation would begin with Denver. Denver has already showed their hand in tendering only with a first round pick as compensation and it is known that they want to get rid of Marshall. The negotiation with Denver could be for any terms that are mutually agreeable (no offer sheet = no #6 pick going away).
It would seem to me that those inter-team negotiations could very well include this years draft picks and/or next years draft picks as well as players (as in Branch, Kerney, et. al). Also, it seems the Seahawks are bringing in (and signing) DE's that may be a clear indication that Kearney is on his way out. Branch may also have a little value to Denver as he is a WR.
IMO: A deal with Denver that gave them: Branch, Kearney and say a 4th to 7th round draft pick this year and/or next year would be a deal we all could live with.
It would seem to me that those inter-team negotiations could very well include this years draft picks and/or next years draft picks as well as players (as in Branch, Kerney, et. al). Also, it seems the Seahawks are bringing in (and signing) DE's that may be a clear indication that Kearney is on his way out. Branch may also have a little value to Denver as he is a WR.
IMO: A deal with Denver that gave them: Branch, Kearney and say a 4th to 7th round draft pick this year and/or next year would be a deal we all could live with.
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@Louis Phan
written by HawksovermyMarriage, March 05, 2010
written by HawksovermyMarriage, March 05, 2010
Hey man I'm glad you agree....This is a great move, It gets people excited about the new season and show's people just how much PC wants to put his stamp on this team...I'm excited altho I'm mad too because I'm from the midwest and I was planning on going to seattle this year for a home game and now with all this excitment I'm sure tickets and going to be a breeze to come by! LOL.....
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What are we waiting for.....
written by SeaDawg, March 05, 2010
written by SeaDawg, March 05, 2010
he is the best reciver in the NFL period! Get him now......
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Many of us have seen this off-season as the beginning...
written by Hawksince77, March 05, 2010
written by Hawksince77, March 05, 2010
...of a multiple year rebuilding effort, but I am not sure that's how Carroll views it. I seem to recall him saying he expected to compete next year, or something along those lines.
If that is the case, these discussions make a lot of sense. It means bringing on Marshall, not drafting a QB, fixing the o-line and enhancing the running game, which can be done with any number of draft picks.
The defense is one or two players away from being solid, and if Seattle retains it's first pick (#6) Berry or Haden could go a long ways in that direction.
Suddenly Hasselbeck has some playmakers around, the pass rush gets a little alleviated (with Housh and Marshall on the field and a credible running game) and the secondary does a better job defending the pass, enhancing the pass rush against the opposition. It has also been argued elsewhere that Seattle has two DEs on the verge of possible goodness - Tapp and Jackson - and perhaps with a little help for Mebane solidifies the d-line.
If that is the case, these discussions make a lot of sense. It means bringing on Marshall, not drafting a QB, fixing the o-line and enhancing the running game, which can be done with any number of draft picks.
The defense is one or two players away from being solid, and if Seattle retains it's first pick (#6) Berry or Haden could go a long ways in that direction.
Suddenly Hasselbeck has some playmakers around, the pass rush gets a little alleviated (with Housh and Marshall on the field and a credible running game) and the secondary does a better job defending the pass, enhancing the pass rush against the opposition. It has also been argued elsewhere that Seattle has two DEs on the verge of possible goodness - Tapp and Jackson - and perhaps with a little help for Mebane solidifies the d-line.
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I dont see....
written by HawksovermyMarriage, March 05, 2010
written by HawksovermyMarriage, March 05, 2010
I dont see what's to consider the Hawks in "rebuilding mode?" They looked good last fall in training camp. They had bright spots last year. I'm sorry to bring up the past, but I really do think that the team just gave up on mora. We dont have a bad team. Sure the secondary and pass rush was terrible last year, but go out get some guys and lets get ready for next year. I'm not saying we are gunna win the super bowl or even make it to the playoffs, but I think we will be compeditive. Now that the cards are losing people left and right they are close to being a good team. The rams are a mess period! The 49ers have a solid team if they can just play like a solid team, we did beat them once last year, and I see them as the team that wins the division next year.
The Hawks are in decent shape...Just my opinion tho...
The Hawks are in decent shape...Just my opinion tho...
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written by Jeit3, March 05, 2010
written by Jeit3, March 05, 2010
I do NOT want Marshall signing a contract tomorrow, because if that happens and the Broncos decide not to match that means we give up our original first round pick which is the 6th overall pick in the draft. That is too high to give up. Broncos want to trade Marshall, so we need to work out a deal in a trade, I would much rather trade them our 14th overall choice rather than them getting our 6th pick in compensation. That 6th pick is our spot for a franchise QB or Tackle. Even holding on to that 14th pick will lend us the top 2 receivers in the draft, Dez Bryant may probably fall that far. There is no doubt that I want Marshall on this team. But I want it to happen in trade, and not to sign him and give up our 6th overall choice. We have far more needs to fill with that 6th pick.
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written by cts, March 05, 2010
written by cts, March 05, 2010
I think it would be worth it to offer up next years 1st and maybe a later round pick. If Carroll is serious about being contenders this year then he is going into the season with the notion that we won't be picking in the first half of the draft next year. If you could make that play then you could either pick up Berry/Haden/QB at #6, LT at #14 then fill another hole at #40. That would give us big potential to make a run in the NFC West and making that 1st round pick great value for us. And if we were to go after Kampman, Bodden and/or a few filler/depth players if would make it that much more logical. I think it's very realistic as NYJ did the same thing for Cromartie. This is a very deep draft class overall and I would definately love the extra picks this year.
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written by MontanaMike, March 05, 2010
written by MontanaMike, March 05, 2010
It does make sense in the fact that burlson is gone and a 1-2 punch with marshall and housh would be scary in itself. I'm of the belief that the more young pieces we can add, the less drafting needs to fill.
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written by seatowntp, March 05, 2010
written by seatowntp, March 05, 2010
This is a player you want??? A leopard cannot change his spots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4A756xTC0s&NR=1&feature=fvwp
I don't care if he can catch the ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4A756xTC0s&NR=1&feature=fvwp
I don't care if he can catch the ball.
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SEATOWNTP!!!
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
Dude, shut up and go to bed! Anyone can change! If Pete Carroll, John Schneider, Jeremy Bates, and Jedd fisch are wanting this guy then it's obvious they feel they can help this guy. For you to even make the statement...
"I don't care if he can catch the ball."
is asinine! This is football! We haven't had a play maker since Darrell Jackson and Shawn Alexander. We are due for a serious ball hawk and Brandon Marshall is the best at what he does on the field. I believe this guy needs a change of scenery so he can go on with his life. Give the guy a break!
"I don't care if he can catch the ball."
is asinine! This is football! We haven't had a play maker since Darrell Jackson and Shawn Alexander. We are due for a serious ball hawk and Brandon Marshall is the best at what he does on the field. I believe this guy needs a change of scenery so he can go on with his life. Give the guy a break!
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First round pick for Marshall...
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
IS WORTH IT! I've been saying it all day and just found this article and am glad someone else is saying it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/teams-should-gladly-give-up-first-round-picks-for-proven-wideouts/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/teams-should-gladly-give-up-first-round-picks-for-proven-wideouts/
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If I was a NFL coach...
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 05, 2010
this would be my game plan. The article above is right on the money! I would make sure I did this every year for 1-2 players for sure! Because you can't count on these college kids adapting to the NFL. Colleges that have NFL systems is a very good option, but in the long run the draft is just like gambling, very risky. There are soooooooooo many great players we could get, by throwing down some of are draft picks. It's a pretty weak draft class this season. LT Marcus McNeil is a perfect example. He would solidify our O-Line, just like Brandon Marshall would solidify our WR Corp. OH MY GOSH! This makes so much sense! And no one hardly does it. WHY? It's kind of funny. I use this method when I play Madden and it works every time. I trade my picks for solid NFL players. Every season I'm amazingly better. I know that probably wasn't the best analogy but that's the only one I could come up with. Please I want feed back on this!
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we should totally pull the trigger
written by rick coombs, March 05, 2010
written by rick coombs, March 05, 2010
If we make an offer and they don't match it, the 6th pick is great value of a receiver of his caliber. With him, Housh and Carlson all on the field at the same time defenses are going to have to respect the pass and not put 8 in the box.
Single coverage on both Housh and Marshall will not work throughout a game, and even with Hasslebeck back there I'm fairly certain he could get the ball out to one of them.
With teams having to respect our passing attack our run game should only improve, and with our offense improving our defense will only be better with not being on the field so often.
And to people saying the 6th pick is too much to give up, how is getting a Wideout who is only turning 26 this year coming off 3 100 catch seasons worse then spending guaranteed money on a rookie. Andre Smith who was the 6th overall pick last year earned 21 million guaranteed, I'd much rather spend that much money on a proven player like Marshall.
Just my two cents though.
Single coverage on both Housh and Marshall will not work throughout a game, and even with Hasslebeck back there I'm fairly certain he could get the ball out to one of them.
With teams having to respect our passing attack our run game should only improve, and with our offense improving our defense will only be better with not being on the field so often.
And to people saying the 6th pick is too much to give up, how is getting a Wideout who is only turning 26 this year coming off 3 100 catch seasons worse then spending guaranteed money on a rookie. Andre Smith who was the 6th overall pick last year earned 21 million guaranteed, I'd much rather spend that much money on a proven player like Marshall.
Just my two cents though.
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written by Jeit3, March 06, 2010
written by Jeit3, March 06, 2010
Ok, use these top picks on Marshall, cuz in the end it won't matter, if our O-Line and running game isn't improved than Hass won't even get the ball out of his hands (think Arizona game at Qwest field) teams will just play the pass on every down knowing we have no line play and no running ame.
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Rick Coombs
written by Farmer Paul, March 06, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 06, 2010
It's 2 cents that's worth a lot of common sense. There is not much of that going around. Do we really need these 1st round draft picks? When we drafted Shawn Alexander we also had another 1st round draft pick that went to OT Chris McIntosh. Shawn was the goods, Chris was the bust. Another year we drafted Koren Robinson and Steve Hutchinson in the 1st round. Steve was the goods and Koren was the bust. Steve is no longer with us. Most of Seattle's 1st round draft picks have been busts for a long while now. I'm hoping Aaron Curry isn't a bust. All I know is we have a weak draft class let's use these picks on valid, solid, pro bowl material. Now if we can negotiate and work a better deal then so be it. If we can't then we truly haven't lost anything by giving up a first round. We really haven't.
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Jeit 3
written by Farmer Paul, March 06, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 06, 2010
Dude, hold your shit and mellow. Free agency just begun. Guaranteed Pete Carroll and John Schneider know what their doing. Pete Carroll stated the O-Line will be fixed. I believe him.
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Whinney freak'n babies on this blog...
written by Farmer Paul, March 06, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, March 06, 2010
with NO COMMON SENSE! Does Alex Gibbs mean anything to anybody. That man has a track record of changing O-Lines for the better with out adding any other player to the squad. If he does add players they will either be no namers or vets who are 32+ old that other teams throw away, such as G Ben Hamilton who is planning to visit. Gibbs is the master of the Zone Blocking Scheme. Let the FO do their job. It will all work out people. UGH, I need another dark ale or possibly bed.
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written by cts, March 06, 2010
written by cts, March 06, 2010
Farmer Paul-
I agree that Marshall is definately worth a 1st rounder, BUT I did want to throw out there that this is not a weak draft class. In fact, it's completely opposite, it is a VERY deep draft class and one of the best in awhile. Just wanted to get that out there. Basically, if you are looking for D then this is your year. The OT class is also very good.
The only thing I have a problem with is that this years class seems to fit our needs to a "T" minus DE and realistically, it's just the 1st round DE's that are ify and present more risk and less value. However S, DT and CB is very deep.
It would make much sense to me to see us draft heavy on D due to the class and that next year is expected to be more of an offensively deep class. I do see us taking a LT high or maybe even a QB/RB if the cards fall right and a great value presents itself.
I agree that Marshall is definately worth a 1st rounder, BUT I did want to throw out there that this is not a weak draft class. In fact, it's completely opposite, it is a VERY deep draft class and one of the best in awhile. Just wanted to get that out there. Basically, if you are looking for D then this is your year. The OT class is also very good.
The only thing I have a problem with is that this years class seems to fit our needs to a "T" minus DE and realistically, it's just the 1st round DE's that are ify and present more risk and less value. However S, DT and CB is very deep.
It would make much sense to me to see us draft heavy on D due to the class and that next year is expected to be more of an offensively deep class. I do see us taking a LT high or maybe even a QB/RB if the cards fall right and a great value presents itself.
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WOULD THIS WORK?
written by DieNasty, March 06, 2010
written by DieNasty, March 06, 2010
We trade our #6 pick for a late first #18 through #32, And plus a 3rd rounder before we sign Marshall?
We would have picks...
1st - #14
1st - #18-#31 (#6 trade)
2nd - #40
3rd - #82-#96 (#6 trade)
4th - #101
and all the other rounds.
Now the question whould be "What 1st round pick would we have to give up for Marshall?"
We would have picks...
1st - #14
1st - #18-#31 (#6 trade)
2nd - #40
3rd - #82-#96 (#6 trade)
4th - #101
and all the other rounds.
Now the question whould be "What 1st round pick would we have to give up for Marshall?"
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Dienasty,
written by Hawksince77, March 06, 2010
written by Hawksince77, March 06, 2010
I don't think thats how it works. Denver is entitled to Seattle's original first round pick (#6) unless a trade is otherwise arranged.
From the sounds of things, it doesn't seem like Seattle thinks Marshall is worth the #6 pick, or they don't think they have to pay the 6th pick, or Denver doesn't want the 6th pick. If any of that is true, then some other kind of compensation would be arranged, leaving out the 6th pick.
From the sounds of things, it doesn't seem like Seattle thinks Marshall is worth the #6 pick, or they don't think they have to pay the 6th pick, or Denver doesn't want the 6th pick. If any of that is true, then some other kind of compensation would be arranged, leaving out the 6th pick.
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Has Marshall ever gone to counseling for Domestic Violence?
written by Paul-A-Hawk, March 06, 2010
written by Paul-A-Hawk, March 06, 2010
I stumbled upon this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4A756xTC0s&NR=1&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4A756xTC0s&NR=1&feature=fvwp
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written by cts, March 06, 2010
written by cts, March 06, 2010
Besides, if we were to trade with Denver we would probably give up our #6 for Marshall and a 3rd rounder so it is essentially the same thing.
I would hope that we can work out our 2nd or maybe even next years 1st with a later round draft pick for Marshall. I'd love to have all 3 of our top picks this year. I'd also be okay with giving up our #6 if we get their 2nd. Somehow, Schneider needs to make the deal favorable for us as not many teams are really pushing for Marshall and McDaniels wants him gone. That should give the advantage to us in negotiations. Besides, if we don't get a favorable deal there are always guys like Jackson or the draft that we could find good value.
I would hope that we can work out our 2nd or maybe even next years 1st with a later round draft pick for Marshall. I'd love to have all 3 of our top picks this year. I'd also be okay with giving up our #6 if we get their 2nd. Somehow, Schneider needs to make the deal favorable for us as not many teams are really pushing for Marshall and McDaniels wants him gone. That should give the advantage to us in negotiations. Besides, if we don't get a favorable deal there are always guys like Jackson or the draft that we could find good value.
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LOVE the idea. There isnt a better way for a rookie quarterback to start then this. Good Bye Nate(will be missed) Hello Brandon.
If we can somehow get a 3rd round pick back, then im all for giving denver's 1st round pick back.