| 14 January 2010
Wow! I haven't read the blog since I decided to take some time off and I was catching up on some of the comments yesterday and read the responses to the announcement I was leaving the blog. I have to tell you Addicts it brought a tiny tear to my eye (which I quickly wiped away before anyone noticed). I didn't know so many readers really cared about what I had to say. After reading all the appeals to continue writing, I did a lot of soul searching and decided I would continue to write occasionally.
I think everyone knows the issues over which I decided to retire or at the least, take some time off. I'd like to run something by you Addicts concerning unwarranted personal remarks. I asked about suspending privileges for those who continued personal attacks or insults. Chris said that the only thing we could do at the administrative level was to shut off comments unless we hired a censor and put a delay on publishing comments until they were reviewed. He's considered shutting off comments a few times this past year but to me that would really kill what we've built here. I can't imagine Seahawk Addicts without input from all of you guys who make up our blogging community. I would rather leave the blog than have comments shut off so I resigned.
[Chris' note: This blog would never exist without the comments, and I didn't offer to shut the comments off, just mentioned the only way to 100% control for rude/inappopriate comments was to shut them off. The community is the reason the blog exists. Also: Welcome Back Bill!]
I really thought there would only be three or four posters who would care and post anything about it. I was touched by the amount of support I saw and it felt genuine so I've decided to continue to write sparingly but I'm not going to put up with being insulted and neither should anyone else. Press "Read more..." to continue.
I do have delete authority but unfortunately when I start deleting remarks that are out of line, accusations are made that comments are being deleted because someone disagreed with me which is really far off base. I never delete a comment unless the poster gets personal or worse makes racial slurs and remarks, however, it can be a real catch 22 situation. Readers don't like to see personal attacks or racially oriented posts but no one likes a censor either and people get suspicious when something gets deleted.I'd like to appeal to everyone who posts here to help police the blog themselves and let anyone who steps out of line know it's not only unacceptable to management, it's unacceptable to other posters as well. Seahawk Addicts posters should stand together for anyone who writes an article or posts a comment here at SA. We should make everyone feel welcome and safe posting here as long as they respect our rules and stay on topic. None of us should have to suffer a personal attack because we endorsed an idea or player/coach connected with the Seahawks. Attack the posters position, his ideas and proclamations, or the accuracy of his data but don't get personal. Instead of saying "You're an idiot to suggest.....", say something like "I don't agree with your suggestion to ......". Instead of saying "WTF. Don't you know anything about football with your stupid idea to..... ", say something like "I'm not sure your idea makes good football sense to....". You guys all know what I'm talking about. Don't attack the man, attack what he has to say. Debate the issue and don't bicker trading derogatory personal remarks.
If a poster crosses the line, everyon needs to let him know like many of you did last Summer when a poster was including racial remarks in his comments. Many of you Addicts let him know his comments weren't welcome and if he didn't clean it up, neither was he. You should do the same for any poster bringing personal attacks into play against anyone who posts or writes for the blog. If the violator sees that other posters object to his comment, he'll either realize that he was out of line and apologize or understand no one is going to read or respond to his comments or endorse anything he has to say. We can effectively ban him by not communicating with him beyond criticizing his personal attack.
I give any poster a chance to stop his insults but the second time and beyond, he'll be censored in some way. I'll either delete his comment or delete the offending material from it (or I have an idea that could even be fun). I hope everyone observes what material does get censored and notes that nothing is getting touched just because someone disagreed with me. Anyone with a complaint of that nature, can make their case and I will respond.
I've been asked by a few of you to write about Ruskell's resignation and Mora's firing. I had a couple of articles about Ruskell and Carroll in work when I retired so I'll finish them up and publish by Friday. They are typical BillT articles and go around 2000 words each so be forewarned. The articles are as true to my real feelings and opinions as possible. I expect disagreement, concurrence, and maybe even some indifference but I don't expect to have to read insults directed at me because of the subject or my opinion on that subject. I realize that Ruskell is still a painful topic for some but don't shoot the messenger, however, say whatever you want about the article. Remember, if you want to strongly disagree, the article is stupid, not me. I also have a number of observations about the new regime that will be a follow up article probably on Saturday.
Thanks to everyone who gave me support either in a comment or in your own hearts. As Gene Autry used to sing, "I'm back in the saddle again. Back where a friend is a friend.". Watch for my Ruskell reaction Friday. I'm sure it will annoy some of you if for no other reason, it's long.
Hasta,
BillT
Comments (53)
Happy and sad
written by mek, January 14, 2010
written by mek, January 14, 2010
With everything that has happened in Seahawk world in a weeks time, I have been thrilled and overjoyed. But yet, the loss of BillT and his insightful posts put a damper on all the excitement. Now, welcome back BillT, things are so bright, I've got to wear shades.
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Glad you reconsidered
written by sherminator, January 14, 2010
written by sherminator, January 14, 2010
I am happy to read you will still be contributing, albeit on a reduced schedule. I take time to read probably only 20% of the comments on this (or any other) blog, so I have missed a lot of the negative comments directed at anybody, but I urge you and all other posters to try and ignore what bothers you, and call out those who are truly out of line. The level of discourse here is way more civil than a lot of open blogs - let's try to keep it going. And Bill - you are a key person in making SA a site I keep coming to.
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Sure missed you the last few weeks
written by seahawk, January 14, 2010
written by seahawk, January 14, 2010
Thanks Bill, I did not realize that you stepped away. Fantastic to see you are back. I remember when Steffes started this thing and the appeal he sent out to everyone to keep it civil. The environment was great (positive) and the information and insight gained was invaluable (to me). I always look forward to reading your posts for the same reason.
I too have seen (by reading the posts) this blog go in a different direction. I think the writers of the blog set an example in their articles.
Really would like to read your take on the last few weeks of hawkville. Also it would be great to hear from Steffes since he used to go out to the USC pro days and knows the USC teams very well. Any updates on Steffes in general? He seemed to drop off the face of the earth since his marriage.
I too have seen (by reading the posts) this blog go in a different direction. I think the writers of the blog set an example in their articles.
Really would like to read your take on the last few weeks of hawkville. Also it would be great to hear from Steffes since he used to go out to the USC pro days and knows the USC teams very well. Any updates on Steffes in general? He seemed to drop off the face of the earth since his marriage.
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written by S.TTBM, January 14, 2010
written by S.TTBM, January 14, 2010
Welcome back Billt, Im glad you decided not to let one jerk (who rarely comments)run you off.
I agree with the ban on personal attacks. I will watch my wording more carefully when I am annoyed by someone's opinion so that I am not guilty of the same thing.
I would caution you that "labeling" someone is very personal, and the same thing as an insult. If I hear myself or anyone else who disagree's with your interpretation labeled "negative" I would consider that a personal attack and an insult, as I am sure many others would as well.
Though I have disagreed with you both often and mightily, I have never thought you lacked intelligence; Lacking logic at times, but that is simply my opinion and I attempt to back it up/explain my position.
So welcome back! And I am looking forward to discussing your take on Ruskell/Mora. Dont forget the text message and Mora's under-the-breath Caroll comment! (Im dying to know if this affected how you view the Ruskell Years).
I agree with the ban on personal attacks. I will watch my wording more carefully when I am annoyed by someone's opinion so that I am not guilty of the same thing.
I would caution you that "labeling" someone is very personal, and the same thing as an insult. If I hear myself or anyone else who disagree's with your interpretation labeled "negative" I would consider that a personal attack and an insult, as I am sure many others would as well.
Though I have disagreed with you both often and mightily, I have never thought you lacked intelligence; Lacking logic at times, but that is simply my opinion and I attempt to back it up/explain my position.
So welcome back! And I am looking forward to discussing your take on Ruskell/Mora. Dont forget the text message and Mora's under-the-breath Caroll comment! (Im dying to know if this affected how you view the Ruskell Years).
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yep
written by lol, January 14, 2010
written by lol, January 14, 2010
he's back. As usual, it took him 78 paragraphs to ask for something that could have been summarized in one sentence. Please be courteous when it comes to posting. lol
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Sticks and Stones
written by kurtthekraut, January 14, 2010
written by kurtthekraut, January 14, 2010
We all appreciate what everyone does on this site and I am personally glad to see that you will still be gracing us with your insights/opinions. We as a community cannot let the vocal few affect us as a whole,..if we do that,..then the abusers win.
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bless you BillT!
written by tomandrachelle, January 14, 2010
written by tomandrachelle, January 14, 2010
Bill,
I am still having a hard time with some of the negative comments I have read that were directed to you. The stupidest so far, is the "Bill's articles are to long." Seriously people if you don't like the length of an article then don't read it. I personally love the depth of experession you use to explain your self. There is a lack of great blogs and info on the Seahawks. We need you Bill. I wish I had more time to contribute to the comments section of this blog. working full time with small kids, as well as working on my masters degree forces me to focus my priorities. Thanks Bill! I am glad you are back at the blog. Keep up the good work.
I am still having a hard time with some of the negative comments I have read that were directed to you. The stupidest so far, is the "Bill's articles are to long." Seriously people if you don't like the length of an article then don't read it. I personally love the depth of experession you use to explain your self. There is a lack of great blogs and info on the Seahawks. We need you Bill. I wish I had more time to contribute to the comments section of this blog. working full time with small kids, as well as working on my masters degree forces me to focus my priorities. Thanks Bill! I am glad you are back at the blog. Keep up the good work.
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Ok Ok
written by kurtthekraut, January 14, 2010
written by kurtthekraut, January 14, 2010
If we arent careful this guy is going to get a little " full-of-himself ". We need to make sure he keeps his feet on the ground. 
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written by lol, January 14, 2010
written by lol, January 14, 2010
yes, lets remember, this is about seahawks football/info..not individuals..
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welcome back
written by Sid Singh, January 14, 2010
written by Sid Singh, January 14, 2010
Nice to have you back.
Unfortunately the internet is a wonderful place for people to anonymously say what they cannot say in public.
But by reacting to it I think we only feed the trolls and make them win.
Compared to what people leave behind in the PI and mynorthwest.com forums, this is nothing. Go through those comments someday, and the mean people here will look like saints.
Anyway, putting moderation in place is not a bad idea - you can approve comments every hour or so?
Unfortunately the internet is a wonderful place for people to anonymously say what they cannot say in public.
But by reacting to it I think we only feed the trolls and make them win.
Compared to what people leave behind in the PI and mynorthwest.com forums, this is nothing. Go through those comments someday, and the mean people here will look like saints.
Anyway, putting moderation in place is not a bad idea - you can approve comments every hour or so?
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We are all Hawk fans here...
written by Think7, January 14, 2010
written by Think7, January 14, 2010
...so I cannot see why some people feel they need to bash on other fans. Im glad to see you back Bill, I for one appriciate the depth and insight you provide in your posts, and like someone else already said, if you dont like it dont read it. We may all have different opinions on the current state of Hawk football, and there is no reason people cant agree to disagree. Besides, all we have is an opinion, none of which matters or decides what happens with this organization-so people should really learn to lighten up-after all, this is only a fan site-the best one for Hawk fans as far as I am concerned.
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occasionally?
written by hawkfaninoklahoma, January 14, 2010
written by hawkfaninoklahoma, January 14, 2010
I don't think occasionally works for me Bill.
unless that's one write-up a day instead of two.
welcome back Bill!
unless that's one write-up a day instead of two.
welcome back Bill!
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written by tam, January 14, 2010
written by tam, January 14, 2010
Welcome Back Bill, love your insights! I cant say I always agree, but it does give me something to chew on, for which I am grateful. If I could make one suggestion...if you could use the "read more" feature closer to the top of your articles, as not to take up the entire home page. this way, those that love your articles can simply click and read away, and the non-fans can feel free and skip entirely. just a thought. best, Tam
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Censor Obnoxious Comments
written by maddog12, January 14, 2010
written by maddog12, January 14, 2010
Bill 1st I join the welcome back chorus.
I say feel free to censor the obnoxious, personal attack and racial comments from the blog. Let people be able to report the bad to a special email address or do it yours selves if you see it.
That way you and other site contributors don't have to be baby sitting watching for a problem 24-7.
I don't enjoy the attacks regardless of who is being attacked. Make your opionion known but don't be insulting to your fellow reader and those running this site.
I say feel free to censor the obnoxious, personal attack and racial comments from the blog. Let people be able to report the bad to a special email address or do it yours selves if you see it.
That way you and other site contributors don't have to be baby sitting watching for a problem 24-7.
I don't enjoy the attacks regardless of who is being attacked. Make your opionion known but don't be insulting to your fellow reader and those running this site.
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Many thanks
written by Oregon Hawk, January 14, 2010
written by Oregon Hawk, January 14, 2010
Thank you for your dedication to our SeaHawk nation !!!!!!
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Hey Bill
written by LouieLouie, January 14, 2010
written by LouieLouie, January 14, 2010
I've read many of the comments in other sites about football / political/ etc., and long ago came to the conclusion that a high number of psychiatric missfits like to communicate their mental disorders online by making personal attacks like we see occasionally on this site.
Compared to other sites, the class of comments on Seahawk Addicts is actually quite high. That is one of the things that keeps me reading and posting here.
I can emphasize with Bill being exasperated about that garbage being aimed at him. But at the same time, I don't let a couple of idiots spoil my enjoyment of the site.
Whatever SA does to keep those idiots posting to a minimum, I think that you guys do a pretty good job. But I hope Bill T, and others can keep it in perspective, and not let a few malcontents spoil everything. If that happens, the "terrorists" win.
Compared to other sites, the class of comments on Seahawk Addicts is actually quite high. That is one of the things that keeps me reading and posting here.
I can emphasize with Bill being exasperated about that garbage being aimed at him. But at the same time, I don't let a couple of idiots spoil my enjoyment of the site.
Whatever SA does to keep those idiots posting to a minimum, I think that you guys do a pretty good job. But I hope Bill T, and others can keep it in perspective, and not let a few malcontents spoil everything. If that happens, the "terrorists" win.
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Flag inappropriate comments
written by Rip, January 14, 2010
written by Rip, January 14, 2010
Is there any way to design the system like Criagslist so that offensive remarks can be flagged?
Peace,
Rip
Peace,
Rip
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written by MontanaMike, January 14, 2010
written by MontanaMike, January 14, 2010
Welcome back Bill. I think it should be a 3rd strike and we sell your e-mail address to all the spam companies on the web.
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written by john_s, January 14, 2010
written by john_s, January 14, 2010
Bill,
I don't agree with everything you say, but you are a valuable voice this blog and I appreciate that you are coming back.
I look forward to reading your pieces tomorrow!
I don't agree with everything you say, but you are a valuable voice this blog and I appreciate that you are coming back.
I look forward to reading your pieces tomorrow!
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USSMariner
written by Scotch on the Rocks, January 14, 2010
written by Scotch on the Rocks, January 14, 2010
BillT and Chris,
You guys should get a hold of Dave Cameron over at the Mariners blog http://ussmariner.com/ and talk to them about moderating this site. They are pretty diligent and can be over the top with deleting comments. But in all, it's a free of a lot of spammers and trolls.
You guys should get a hold of Dave Cameron over at the Mariners blog http://ussmariner.com/ and talk to them about moderating this site. They are pretty diligent and can be over the top with deleting comments. But in all, it's a free of a lot of spammers and trolls.
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Bleeding Blue and Green
written by Peis, January 14, 2010
written by Peis, January 14, 2010
Bill –
Welcome back!
Although I don’t always agree with your point of view, and at times other writers, I completely agree that personal attacks HAVE NO PLACE here. I for one, truly appreciate the insight that you, Chris, and the other writers put forth here. If someone does not like your work – the answer is simple – don’t read it!
Keep this in the back of your mind next time someone feels the need to take a personal swing at you or any other writer here - they must have penis envy and are closet 49er fans!
Glad to have you back and looking forward to your future articles!
Welcome back!
Although I don’t always agree with your point of view, and at times other writers, I completely agree that personal attacks HAVE NO PLACE here. I for one, truly appreciate the insight that you, Chris, and the other writers put forth here. If someone does not like your work – the answer is simple – don’t read it!
Keep this in the back of your mind next time someone feels the need to take a personal swing at you or any other writer here - they must have penis envy and are closet 49er fans!
Glad to have you back and looking forward to your future articles!
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Scotch --
written by Seahawk Addicts, January 14, 2010
written by Seahawk Addicts, January 14, 2010
We do have a comment policy in place, and attempt to abide by it whenever possible. The problem is that I work full time and don't necessarily have access to getting in and removing comments when they arise. We have been effective at keeping Spam off the site, but the trolls will be trolls.
The a-holes are banned when possible, but it's an IP ban so if they have dynamic IP addresses it's a bust. We request people register, but don't block people from commenting if unregistered. The reason for that is that too many of our favorite voices on here don't want to register. Steve S. has been one of my favorite commenters, largely because he never agrees with me (ha!) and always adds a lot to the discussion. He dropped off the site before when we required registration.
Basically, we're trying to strike a balance. It's tough, but Dave Cameron does do a pretty good job. The main thing is that we don't want to quash voices just because they disagree with us or have one off-handed remark. Still working on it.
The a-holes are banned when possible, but it's an IP ban so if they have dynamic IP addresses it's a bust. We request people register, but don't block people from commenting if unregistered. The reason for that is that too many of our favorite voices on here don't want to register. Steve S. has been one of my favorite commenters, largely because he never agrees with me (ha!) and always adds a lot to the discussion. He dropped off the site before when we required registration.
Basically, we're trying to strike a balance. It's tough, but Dave Cameron does do a pretty good job. The main thing is that we don't want to quash voices just because they disagree with us or have one off-handed remark. Still working on it.
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written by Scotch on the Rocks, January 14, 2010
written by Scotch on the Rocks, January 14, 2010
Chris,
No doubt, I understand this blog thing can be a full time job that doesn't pay a dime. Over at USSMariner, I believe they have several trusted members that have moderator rights. But it's people they trust and know and they don't abuse their privilege as a moderator.
Trust me though, I totally understand how frustrating these trools are. No take me the wrong way, I absoleutely love your site here.
No doubt, I understand this blog thing can be a full time job that doesn't pay a dime. Over at USSMariner, I believe they have several trusted members that have moderator rights. But it's people they trust and know and they don't abuse their privilege as a moderator.
Trust me though, I totally understand how frustrating these trools are. No take me the wrong way, I absoleutely love your site here.
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written by Scotch on the Rocks, January 14, 2010
written by Scotch on the Rocks, January 14, 2010
I need more coffee......
Sorry for the typos.
Sorry for the typos.
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written by BW, January 14, 2010
written by BW, January 14, 2010
Welcome back BillT, I hadn't commented before, but was planning to say something in your defense when I heard you had had enough. I sure didn't blame you for being sick of it. It's funny hearing some of the people like STTBM say, "you lacked logic at times" which I think he means more politely to read that your argument lacked logic. Even in this very comment he can't distinguish between attacking someone personally and disagreeing with the logic of a specific statement or argument.
It's frustrated me for a long time that many more than "one person" have attacked you personally because you were an optimistic fan. The fact that you wanted to look at the bright side of things and believe the best of your football team that you were a fan of drove some "negative" people nuts. Because you tempered their criticism of Ruskell, which let's face it grew way past the point of being logical to someplace where he had never done a single good deed in his life or ever made an even remotely mediocre draft or fa move and was most likely Dick Cheney and Lucifer's love child.
I often grew frustrated because you seemed to be the target of people being pissed off the Hawks had two bad years and you dared to still be hopeful and be a FAN. People can be whatever kind of fan they like, but I personally appreciate and would imagine players would appreciate when lots of crap went wrong that you are still rooting for THEM. Same for the coaches. And maybe even the front office.
There's a time to part ways and to trade players, fire coaches, gm, etc. And as fans who invest in a team we have a right to bitch and moan when we think things could be done better.
But to continue to take things so personally just because someone is optimistic and wants to give someone the benefit of the doubt more or to not ignore what successes they've had, particularly when BillT probably agreed with some of what was being said, just not to the full extent, and then to attack him personally because of it on a fan site...
This speaks much more to the people attacking him then to BillT. The fact that he grew more defensive over time (a long time of it) is completely understandable. I've seen the comments on SA grow more personal and negative in general over the last year, maybe because it was such a shitty year on the field. But it has turned me off some and while I still appreciate the Hawk news and most of the fans here, I've avoided the comments section for the most part. Life's too short to listen to someone criticize something that you are really excited about too much. Especially, in Bill's case, when that criticism extends to you.
This comment was extra long in honor of BillT. Welcome back.
It's frustrated me for a long time that many more than "one person" have attacked you personally because you were an optimistic fan. The fact that you wanted to look at the bright side of things and believe the best of your football team that you were a fan of drove some "negative" people nuts. Because you tempered their criticism of Ruskell, which let's face it grew way past the point of being logical to someplace where he had never done a single good deed in his life or ever made an even remotely mediocre draft or fa move and was most likely Dick Cheney and Lucifer's love child.
I often grew frustrated because you seemed to be the target of people being pissed off the Hawks had two bad years and you dared to still be hopeful and be a FAN. People can be whatever kind of fan they like, but I personally appreciate and would imagine players would appreciate when lots of crap went wrong that you are still rooting for THEM. Same for the coaches. And maybe even the front office.
There's a time to part ways and to trade players, fire coaches, gm, etc. And as fans who invest in a team we have a right to bitch and moan when we think things could be done better.
But to continue to take things so personally just because someone is optimistic and wants to give someone the benefit of the doubt more or to not ignore what successes they've had, particularly when BillT probably agreed with some of what was being said, just not to the full extent, and then to attack him personally because of it on a fan site...
This speaks much more to the people attacking him then to BillT. The fact that he grew more defensive over time (a long time of it) is completely understandable. I've seen the comments on SA grow more personal and negative in general over the last year, maybe because it was such a shitty year on the field. But it has turned me off some and while I still appreciate the Hawk news and most of the fans here, I've avoided the comments section for the most part. Life's too short to listen to someone criticize something that you are really excited about too much. Especially, in Bill's case, when that criticism extends to you.
This comment was extra long in honor of BillT. Welcome back.
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written by tam, January 14, 2010
written by tam, January 14, 2010
BW, well said, i felt the same way, i was reading the blog, but staying away from the comments for all the same reasons you mentioned above. it got really nasty during the season for obvious reasons. unfortunately, it appears Bill took the brunt of it on his chin. Stay up Bill!
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written by hurbynhawk, January 14, 2010
written by hurbynhawk, January 14, 2010
Really, really, ridiculously happy to have you back Bill. Shake those haters off ya. @BW Love the "This comment was extra long in honor of BillT."
Hope your typing fingers are still in shape Bill!
Hope your typing fingers are still in shape Bill!
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written by Highlander, January 14, 2010
written by Highlander, January 14, 2010
Welcome back from your hiatus. I've been trough almost exactly the same sitation on a different message board, and was also surprised at the support and private contacts I'd received when I'd determined to leave that board, so I think I have a good idea how you're feeling.
You made the right choice and welcome back.
You made the right choice and welcome back.
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written by C-Hawk, January 14, 2010
written by C-Hawk, January 14, 2010
Welcome back, BillT! The more writers, the better I say. Just wanted to point out that there is a "Report Abuse" button at the bottom right of every post (the ! button). Don't know how it works exactly, but I figure that would be a good place to start with the nasty bastards.
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written by JohnnyB, January 14, 2010
written by JohnnyB, January 14, 2010
First, you should be doing this BillT. You're good at it. And when I say "good at it" I mean that your writing stimulates people to argue and discuss. I fear you don't value this, but you should value it above anything else because it makes a blog more popular. And argument and discussion are very very good things in themselves.
Second, I agree with your attempt to decrease personal attacks. Personal attacks have no place in good discussions.
Third. It's unlikely that it's only personal attacks that are upsetting you if you are a human being like the rest of us. We all love to be right and hate to be wrong about our favorite things. When someone does a good job of showing us to be wrong about something we love, we tend to not handle it well. It causes anger, denial, fights, and, well, personal attacks. This we should deal with ourselves. We have to realize that accurate criticism is a gift and if we get angry when it happens, we are in the wrong, not the person that gave the criticism.
I'm not singling you out for this third thing, other than the fact that by doing this blog you will be wrong sometimes and you will sometimes get criticism that is devastating to your arguments. And it will hurt unless you are much more of a perfect human being than most of us.
Second, I agree with your attempt to decrease personal attacks. Personal attacks have no place in good discussions.
Third. It's unlikely that it's only personal attacks that are upsetting you if you are a human being like the rest of us. We all love to be right and hate to be wrong about our favorite things. When someone does a good job of showing us to be wrong about something we love, we tend to not handle it well. It causes anger, denial, fights, and, well, personal attacks. This we should deal with ourselves. We have to realize that accurate criticism is a gift and if we get angry when it happens, we are in the wrong, not the person that gave the criticism.
I'm not singling you out for this third thing, other than the fact that by doing this blog you will be wrong sometimes and you will sometimes get criticism that is devastating to your arguments. And it will hurt unless you are much more of a perfect human being than most of us.
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written by BW, January 14, 2010
written by BW, January 14, 2010
JohnnyB, I'd say it got to the point that whenever Ruskell came up in any discussion, BillT was nearly always mentioned as well if not bashed heavily or in such a personal way that no man would to another man if he was standing in front of you. At least not if you didn't want to get hit.
So if I get the gist from your third point, though you say you're not singling BillT out on this, you are saying by posting this here and now while addressing him that it was BillT who was doling out the "anger, denial, fights, and, well, personal attacks." All because he was proved wrong.
God forbid that two football fans can have differing opinions, neither right nor wrong, or maybe even both wrong, or both partly right, many over a hypothetical that can never be proven.
I don't think BillT minded people disagreeing with him at all. He might write you a novel in response, but rarely did I see bad will attached.
So if I get the gist from your third point, though you say you're not singling BillT out on this, you are saying by posting this here and now while addressing him that it was BillT who was doling out the "anger, denial, fights, and, well, personal attacks." All because he was proved wrong.
God forbid that two football fans can have differing opinions, neither right nor wrong, or maybe even both wrong, or both partly right, many over a hypothetical that can never be proven.
I don't think BillT minded people disagreeing with him at all. He might write you a novel in response, but rarely did I see bad will attached.
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written by BillT, January 14, 2010
written by BillT, January 14, 2010
JohnnyB,
Someone criticizing your thoughts and ideas is one thing. Leaving comments that attack the poster themsleves not the content of his "offending idea" or worse not even bothering to respond to the topic serve no purpose.
My problem is that I have friends and family who read this blog. Would you want to have your children, spouse, and good friends reading the blog and have guys referencing you sucking a certain part of someone's anatomy (except spelled out plainly and graphically)? Be honest.
My daughter was ashamed to have me writing for a place where no one stood up for me and where posters got away with degrading me personally. Would ESPN expect Sando to take that kind of abuse and allow posters to level vulgar comments directly at him? You never see disrespectful comments directed at Sando on the NFC West blog so I assume that answer to be "no".
At least he gets paid to write his blog. I get to be abused for free. The issue is about disrespect not simply disagreeing with the content of my writings. That comes with the territory especially if you write thought provoking material like I do. Having personal abuse heaped on doesn't though.
Thanks for your vote of confidence and to all others who posted. We're all in this together so we all need to remain vigilant and let posters who attack our regular members and guests know their conduct is unacceptable behavior.
Someone criticizing your thoughts and ideas is one thing. Leaving comments that attack the poster themsleves not the content of his "offending idea" or worse not even bothering to respond to the topic serve no purpose.
My problem is that I have friends and family who read this blog. Would you want to have your children, spouse, and good friends reading the blog and have guys referencing you sucking a certain part of someone's anatomy (except spelled out plainly and graphically)? Be honest.
My daughter was ashamed to have me writing for a place where no one stood up for me and where posters got away with degrading me personally. Would ESPN expect Sando to take that kind of abuse and allow posters to level vulgar comments directly at him? You never see disrespectful comments directed at Sando on the NFC West blog so I assume that answer to be "no".
At least he gets paid to write his blog. I get to be abused for free. The issue is about disrespect not simply disagreeing with the content of my writings. That comes with the territory especially if you write thought provoking material like I do. Having personal abuse heaped on doesn't though.
Thanks for your vote of confidence and to all others who posted. We're all in this together so we all need to remain vigilant and let posters who attack our regular members and guests know their conduct is unacceptable behavior.
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written by HecEdTom, January 14, 2010
written by HecEdTom, January 14, 2010
There was someone who posted racial stuff on this blog? First I have heard of it..if true then his IP should be banned! No place for that crap here..!
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written by Hawkdude, January 14, 2010
written by Hawkdude, January 14, 2010
Bill,
I have always enjoyed your articles and though I don't always agree, I do appreciate your perspective. This site is about our mutual addiction to our Seahawks. The more I know or learn about the Seahawks through the multiple perspectives that this site presents, the more I am able to appreciate the different intricacise of the Seahawks and football.
I am glad that you are back.
I have always enjoyed your articles and though I don't always agree, I do appreciate your perspective. This site is about our mutual addiction to our Seahawks. The more I know or learn about the Seahawks through the multiple perspectives that this site presents, the more I am able to appreciate the different intricacise of the Seahawks and football.
I am glad that you are back.
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written by roger3k, January 14, 2010
written by roger3k, January 14, 2010
Bill,
Thanks for coming back! I can't say I love the contests but your (and Chris', and everyone else's) love of OUR Seahawks should mean that we all keep it together...
I've watched this team as long as I can remember (literally, I'm 36), and everything that goes with it (ground Chuck, Flores, Erickson and Saint Mike) I typically fly in, read the updates and go on with my busy life. I just finished reading about your "return" and it made me want to take a minute to finally register and share with you how much I appreciate your contributions.
Thanks and keep your head up! You are very much appreciated,
Roger
Thanks for coming back! I can't say I love the contests but your (and Chris', and everyone else's) love of OUR Seahawks should mean that we all keep it together...
I've watched this team as long as I can remember (literally, I'm 36), and everything that goes with it (ground Chuck, Flores, Erickson and Saint Mike) I typically fly in, read the updates and go on with my busy life. I just finished reading about your "return" and it made me want to take a minute to finally register and share with you how much I appreciate your contributions.
Thanks and keep your head up! You are very much appreciated,
Roger
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written by JohnnyB, January 14, 2010
written by JohnnyB, January 14, 2010
Let me repeat, I completely agree with your efforts to stop personal attacks. I've seen it happen to you (and others) here, and I hope it stops.
My third point above is about what I've also seen here and elsewhere, where you (and others) seem to feel hurt and personally attacked when you haven't been, when instead you have had strong criticisms of one of your ideas.
Field Gulls is a good example of a place where people are systematically censured and banned for lack of respect for the ideas of John Morgan. It's the only way he can maintain his aura of expertise, because he's not an expert at all. It makes that site largely a joke. It's the last place anyone should go for the truth about what's going on with the Seahawks. Go there for entertainment if you have to, not truth.
I'm not singling you out as someone who is particularly sensitive, you're not. I just don't want this place to turn into a joke like Field Gulls with suck-up discussions and people with effective criticism being banned because they make some of the poster's ideas look silly.
My third point above is about what I've also seen here and elsewhere, where you (and others) seem to feel hurt and personally attacked when you haven't been, when instead you have had strong criticisms of one of your ideas.
Field Gulls is a good example of a place where people are systematically censured and banned for lack of respect for the ideas of John Morgan. It's the only way he can maintain his aura of expertise, because he's not an expert at all. It makes that site largely a joke. It's the last place anyone should go for the truth about what's going on with the Seahawks. Go there for entertainment if you have to, not truth.
I'm not singling you out as someone who is particularly sensitive, you're not. I just don't want this place to turn into a joke like Field Gulls with suck-up discussions and people with effective criticism being banned because they make some of the poster's ideas look silly.
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written by nightwulf, January 14, 2010
written by nightwulf, January 14, 2010
Bill,
See what Hawkdude said above, same from me
Glad you're back.
See what Hawkdude said above, same from me
Glad you're back.
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written by BillT, January 15, 2010
written by BillT, January 15, 2010
dj-meatwad,
I'm going to Drop It In The Slot when I get some Credit or two nickles to rub together and everything's not already Souled Out. I know What Is Hip and all I'm saying is that To Say The Least, You're The Most. They say A Little Knowledge Is A Dangerous Thing, however, sometimes a Soul Vaccination will cure whatever makes you sick especially when you go down East Bay Way. A good rule to follow is Don't Change horses In The Middle Of The Stream but that can make it So Very Hard To Go. I know You're Still A Young Man but You Strike My Main Nerve when You Ought To Be Havin' Fun. I know This Time It's Real and Squib Cakes is my favorite meal but when It All Comes Back, I Got To Groove. Mr. Toads Wild Ride is about the most fun you can have unless you go Down To The Nightclub. They say There's Only So Much Oil In The Ground but always remember to Get Yo Feet Back On The Ground. Can't You See that if you Knock Yourself Out and have your sister Give Me Your Love, I like Your Style even more.
I'm going to Drop It In The Slot when I get some Credit or two nickles to rub together and everything's not already Souled Out. I know What Is Hip and all I'm saying is that To Say The Least, You're The Most. They say A Little Knowledge Is A Dangerous Thing, however, sometimes a Soul Vaccination will cure whatever makes you sick especially when you go down East Bay Way. A good rule to follow is Don't Change horses In The Middle Of The Stream but that can make it So Very Hard To Go. I know You're Still A Young Man but You Strike My Main Nerve when You Ought To Be Havin' Fun. I know This Time It's Real and Squib Cakes is my favorite meal but when It All Comes Back, I Got To Groove. Mr. Toads Wild Ride is about the most fun you can have unless you go Down To The Nightclub. They say There's Only So Much Oil In The Ground but always remember to Get Yo Feet Back On The Ground. Can't You See that if you Knock Yourself Out and have your sister Give Me Your Love, I like Your Style even more.
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