RB 40-yard dash times

McKnight if we can trade down (or up) into the 3rd round. And Matthews was faster than I thought he'd be.

Montario Hardesty looked GREAT today..

OK. I'm becoming a C.J. Spiller believer.

The official time has Spiller slower than Jahvid Best.

Javarris James out of Miami has impressed me during the workouts thus far. He doesn't have the straight 40 time that blows your socks off but watching his hands during catching drills and especially his burst out of cuts made me raise my eyebrows. He might be a good value pick for whoever ends up with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XLic7BhIkk

Why i think we dont need a RB in the draft and just sign a RB in free agency to complement j force.

Likes: Bruce Campbell, CJ Spiller, Javhid Best, Ryan Matthews, Toby Gerhardt, Jevan Snead, Tim Tebow. Do NOT want to see us pick a QB with one of our 2 top picks! OT, secondary, RB period...
missed the WRs...

I'm too greedy this season! I want us to pick all the talent. I'm still salivating over OT Bruce Campbell day yesterday and now Spiller is probably a must for the Seahawks. I'm confused at what we should do with our 1st 2 picks. Bruce Campbell would be a a fantastic pick for the Seahawks in so many ways! He's a physical specimen! He looks more like Julius Peppers then a stereo typical fat OT, which is absolutely amazing to me. He's fast, strong, and very flexible. Bruce Campbell will end up being a Pro Bowler for many years. Could step in as a starter immediately. Walter Jones who? Just kidding Walt! Now, CJ Spiller is a must also! Forsett and Spiller would make a killer combo! I also was impressed with OT Trent Williams. So much talent this season!

Bruce Campbell will never make to pro bowl, he will be injured by that time. He gets injured so often that it scares me, I'm tired of injuries and do not want to see another injury prone player picked early in the draft.

And please remember that it's just combine, they aren't playing football. Game tapes will show if Spiller is fast enough. This only gives people the opportunity to compare players in drills that doesn't have much to do with playing for real.

might want to remember Tony Mandarich. Guy ran a 4.65 at 300 lbs, did 39 reps on the bench, and was taken 2nd overall. Now? He's considered the biggest bust in NFL history.

Granted - much of that title has to do with both the fact he had hall of famers selected immediately after him. Steroids seemed to also play a big part in his fall.

Don't suppose anyone noticed that Spiller refused to do anything except run in a straight line?
Does anyone really want to use a top 20 pick on a punt/kick returner?


I did, BT

Pass on RB in 1st round. Bring on L. Blount with the #40 pick.

4 years of game tape to watch spiller man, guy is a stud. Either way the forsett highlight reel makes me wanna just make him our feature back, haha.

fnshawk-

Have you ever watched a Clemson game or even watched Spiller on youtube? Cuz he is blazing fast on film and has the vision, agility and burst out of his cuts to boot. The amount of separation he gets in such a short amount of space is insane. No one catches Spiller if he gets behind them. This kid is the real deal.

As for drafting him though, I don't know. He's definately the only RB/WR I would consider in the 1st maybe even in the 1st or 2nd, but I'd be excited to get him at #14 if the FO chose to go that direction.

As for Campbell, he was always a 1st round prospect. He was great at Maryland and he's not like Jason Smith where few knew of him before the draft. He's a more known player, but yes, I agree his draft stock will soar because of the combine. But he is a legit 1st round draft choice.

Whatever the injuries were they didn't show up yesterday in the combine. He proved that the injuries haven't slowed him down or made him weaker. The draft is a gamble! Who truly knows who will be a bust or not? Bruce Campbell, to me, looks to have major upside. I would definitely take the risk on him. If it was me picking for the Seahawks this season, I would use my first round on O-line depending on how well we did during free agency. If I was to stock my O-Line during free agency then Safety and Running Back would be my picks during the 1st round and an O-lineman during the second. If we were not to succeed during free agency with O-lineman then it would be an urgency to get O-lineman in the 1st round. My picks would be Campbell or Okung #6 and Iupati #14. I know that for the last 8 seasons we haven't picked for need, this year has to be different. Our O-Line is in need of some definite mad men. Tough, stong, all around true offensive lineman who are masters of their field. Russell Okung, Bruce Campbell, Trent Williams, Charles Brown and Mike Iupati are the only 5 I see that are immediate starters. I know that this will start a debate with some of you, but this is my opinion. I've heard a lot of you say we should wait for O-lineman in the later rounds. The O-Line is our biggest need! Why wait when you can possibly get the best? I don't care what scheme we are using! The 5 I've listed can definitely play in a zone scheme. I'll debate that all the way to the draft. If you have a solid O-Line, then you can make any RB look great. It was Jones and Hutchinson that made Shaun Alexander. I do believe we need to get rid of Julius Jones, but Forsett can shine if we add 2 missing pieces to the O-line, LT and LG. I would put Locklear back at RT. Move Robs Sims to RG and obviously we have our center in Max Unger. Mike Iupati will do wonders as our LG and someone like Okung, Campbell, Williams, or Brown would solidify the line at LT. Our offense could get back to Super Bowl form with two or three solid linemen.

I'm all for drafting Bruce Campbell before Al Davis gets his hands on him. A 315 pound guy running a 4.8 is every bit as impressive as Spiller running a 4.2. The ZBS favors athletism over brute strength, but Campbell offers both. I've been saying we should pick him at 6, and the combine reinforces his top 10 status. This seems to me like a very very talented group of tackles. I like all of the projected first round LTs except Davis out of Rutgers. Seems a little lazy to me.

Hardesty also was very impressive, not sure where he is projected to go, but I think he will be a very nice back to pair with Forsett. I had no idea that he was that fast or fluid, I was expecting a pure bruiser.

There is no way we should take bruce campbell, unless for some reason he is still sitting there at 40. His stock will rise unjustly because he can run a little faster with no pads on, but that doesn't neccesarily translate to the football field. And a guy who can't stay healthy in college will almost certainly have injury issues in the NFL. For my money, draft someone who plays exceptionally well on the field, can stay healthy, and who plays his best when playing against superior players. and the only tackle prospect fitting that description, that will still be there when we select, is Buluga. I don't care that he ran 4 tenths of a second slower and did 5 fewer bench presses. He is a stud, and a huge reason Iowa has been good the past 2-3 years.

Oh, and what do you think of Gerhart now, CTS? A big, bruising running back who is 6-0, 231 running a 4.5 40? I would love to see us draft him in the 3rd or 4th round. Spiller has great speed and good cuts, but IMHO, Gerhart fits a need for us more than Spiller does, because he would be cheaper, and would be a great compliment to Forsett.

I wouldnt take a rb till the fourth.There is to much value in defense in the top 2 rounds.

Ryan Mathews at forty if he's there.

Buluga is good and everything but its not like Campbell did nothing in college. He played very well at Maryland and has way more upside than Buluga does. I see Campbell being the best lineman from this draft 2 years down the line.

Spiller official time 4.37. Still blazing fast, but not 4.27.

Here are the official times from NFL.com

RUNNING BACKSName Time
Best, Jahvid 4.35
Spiller, C.J. 4.37
Tate, Ben 4.43
Mathews, Ryan 4.45
McKnight, Joe 4.47
Hardesty, Montario 4.49
Starks, James 4.50
Miller, Lonyae 4.53
McNeal, Shawnbrey 4.56
McCluster, Dexter 4.58

I don't disagree. Campbell is a great prospect, who has a lot of upside. the biggest reason i wouldn't draft him is the injury factor. In 3 years, he never played a full 12 game season. how can he last 16(+preseason) against bigger, stronger and faster, and frankly, more ruthless players? If the past 2 years have shown us anything, its that we need healthy lineman. Just look at how bad things have been after we started losing walter jones to injury every year, not to mention Sims, Locklear, Spencer, etc.... so why take the risk on an upside pick on someone who might or might not stay healthy enough to play?

plus, i watched games that Buluga started against hyped up defensive ends - against Michigan and Brandon Graham & in the orange bowl against Georgia Tech and Derrick Morgan - in which the commentators before the game spoke of how great these pass rusher were and how much of an impact they would have, only to not hear their name called all day because Brian Buluga shut them down. so that might make me a little bias, since i have been calling for Buluga since then, but i will take a guy who shows it on the field over a guy who has "great potential" every day.

i suppose that should have said biased.... whoops...

I'd be satisfied with either of them, I'm just stating for the record that Campbell is my favorite. I'm not going to complain if we take Buluga over Campbell, as I think they are 2 and 2A as far as the LTs go.

i can live with that, and i would be happy with any lineman they choose, because in the end, they will have a ton more information than i do, so i will trust their decision. I just like Buluga from what i have seen.

Spiller at 6. Needs to be done. At 14 take Iupati unless there's a possibility of trading down. Give up the 40 pick for the RFA tackle from New Orleans (Bushrod). He's already a proven Tackle in the NFL, no risk of him panning out. Take Pike in the 4th. Buy playoff tickets!

Where's all the Dwyer talk? Guess a 4.6 40 will do that.....And Spiller running a 4.38 40, sure that's not a typo on the official times? His unofficial times were pretty consistant. Seems fishy.

#11's right. Bruce Campbell=Tony Mandarich. Let someone else get sucked in by his measurables.

Beercan-

I've been on the Bulaga/Campbell bandwagon ever since the season ended. I do think Campbell was a stud in college so I have no reservations about drafting him at #14. As for #6, I'm a bit weary. It's the Bradford thing all over again with the injuries. Granted Campbell's injuries are severe like Bradford's, but at #6 you can't afford to miss. I'd take Bradford or Campbell at #14 in a heartbeat though.

As for Gerhart, you just proved my point in the same post. It's easy for a guy to impress with all his pads off. Gerhart IS SLOW. Go on youtube and watch him. He doesn't create separation. He's a north and south runner with no real elusiveness. Like I've said all along, he is slow on the field. You either need to get a fast player or a guy who plays faster than he times and in Gerharts case he plays slower than he times. Again, he is a glorified FB.

Our argument has been a little misconstrued. I'm against Gerhart as a primary back. I'd be okay with him as a midround compliment back as he would be good in short yardage/goal line situation. However, I like Blount and Scott better. Blount timed slower but plays faster, he's hard nosed with a nasty streak and he has the moves/elusivness that Gerhart doesn't. Blount has a better chance to become a primary back than Gerhart with his vision and agility and he compliments well. Scott will never be a primary as I believe Gerhart won't do either, but Scott hits the hole as hard and as fast as anyone I've seen. It's amazing how quick he gets to the line, which is what I would be looking for in a bruiser. His job isn't to have breakaway speed, it's just to break some skulls and get the tough yards. So eventhough I'd be okay with Gerhart as a compliment back, I'd much rather have Scott who fits that mold the best or, more importantly, Blount who fits the role as a compliment back well and has much upside as I feel he has a much better chance at becoming a primary back. He's a lot like Johnathan Stewert in that regards.

Tony Mandarich was on steroids. As far as we know, Bruce Campbell does not have that following him.

That is an unfair comment.

He needs work on his technique, and lacks experience. He does not compare to Tony Mandarich.

I agree on the Mandarich statement. It's pretty out of line and ignorant.

it seems people are salivating over Campbell because of his athleticism.

I'm not saying he's the next Tony Mandarich - I really don't know enough about Campbell to make an assessment like that.

I am saying that just because he put up huge combine numbers doesn't mean Campbell is the type of can't miss prospect the Hawks can't pass on.

One thing is for sure - the guy is physically gifted.

Love him. Close to the 4.3's. Love the stellar 220 pound running backs. Tate did great in all the tests, and had really excellent production in his senior year. He has the total package of what you would call a "feature back". he reminds me of Mendenhall. I would love to see the haws take Tate or Ryan Matthews at 40. This draft needs to be about securing the future at the big offensive positions.

I was never really crazy about Ryan Matthews, but he posted pretty solid combine numbers. Not sure I want to see him drafted at 40, but I do like him. Maybe if we trade back like we did last year with our second rounder we can still get him without reaching and come away with a 4th or 5th rounder.

Also my thoughts on Bruce Campbell. Maryland has been cranking out these physical freaks the past 5 years. Merriman, Vernon Davis, Heyward Bey, even Josh Wilson who I believe ran a 4.3 something at the combine. Its really not surprising that Campbell is such a freak of nature. With the exception of Heyward Bey they are all pretty good players. They also know how to coach offensive linemen as Jared Gaither has turned into a stud in the pros and he is not anywhere near as talented as Campbell.

We will only take Okung at 6 if he's available.I dont beleive that four OT's are taken in the top 10 as Mike Mayock believes.I beleive KC will take Okung with the fifth pick.That means we will take the highest rated player available.Eric Berry,Dez Bryant etc.We could reach a little and grab the best DE available{Derek Morgan}.And I hope we do.I love Eric Berry and I think Dez Bryant would be huge.The Hawks biggest priority even more than OT is putting pressure on the QB.Some may argue that are biggest need is to protect Hasselbeck.I think if we stick to the big board there will be some talent at OT at 14.There are only three teams that need an OT as much as we do.Raiders,Bills,49ers.I really think the Raiders will draft Bruce Campbell because he is the hot piece of poop right now.The bills will take either Bulaga or Anthony Davis.The 49ers will take Trent Williams.So that leaves Charles Brown,Anthony Davis or Bulaga whoever the bills dont take.I am pretty sure Bulaga will be there pick.Who knows the Raiders could pick Tebow.That would shake up the OT order in a big way.Either way they are going to take Eric Berry,Dez Bryant or Derrick Morgan.Eric Berry nor Dez Bryant fill the void of putting pressure on a qb.The 6th pick will be Morgan.14th Charles Brown or better OT available.I would love to see Trent Williams here but its not likely.Spiller would be fun but he's nothing without an OT.I am still not sure what the Hawks are thinking at 40.I would like to see them trade back and get a late second and a third rounder.Hey we got a first rounder for last years second so its possible.Look four a CB,RB,WR,QB OR S With this pick.Its to early to predict but we need WR more than RB so look for one in the second.Look for Tate,Thomas,Lafell,Williams or Benn with this pick.I could see them pull the trigger on LeFevour if we can get a third round pick and he's available.Look for a RB with the 4th.Ben Tate,Anthony Dixon or Blount or best available.Look for a CB,S or Guard at five,six and seven.Not sure what the order will be but thats where we look right know.

I agree that the threat of overestimating the immediate contributions of Bruce Campbell are there. He has more risk than others who have played more college ball.

He is a raw prospect, but appears to be a great athlete. I'm sure that these type of guys are the hardest on team decision makers.

Okay, I don't like him soley for his 40 time, i was a fan before that. I just felt his time added a little justification to my case for him. I actually don't advocate for Gerhart as a sole feature back, only as an addition to Forsett, and maybe another RB. If that puts him as a fullback to get carries, then so be it. He definatly has the makeup, and tenacity to be a good blocker. I just think that he has been an underrated player coming out of college, especially since he was the main focus for defenses playing against stanford, with a Freshman QB and limited skill players, and he still put up Great numbers. So I would be happy to see him get a chance to play at the next level.

I am all about Charles Scott. I posted a youtube link about him a few weeks ago(in fact, i think it was the same one you posted.) I am actually really surprised his 40 time was that slow. he looks faster on tape, so his football speed might be better than his measured 40 time. some players are like that. That was how Terrell Davis fell to the 6th round in 95. his 40 time was slow, so no one wanted to draft him. but he played at a different level on the field, and was quick to the hole, which is essential for a back in the Zone Blocking System.
incidently, that is exactly why julius jones needs to go, because he always seems to want to make a cut before hitting the hole, which blows any chance of a great run.

oh, and hawksmack, Morgan would be a terrible pick at 6. His biggest games were against the weakest opponents. He is very overrated. If we go defense for that pick, it should be berry or haden. Berry is the consensus best Safety to come out in years, and Haden is a true shutdown corner, in the mold of Champ Bailey and Darrelle Revis. When you have a corner that can take away the best WR on a team for a game, that is a huge advantage. It also improves the rest of your secondary, because now the QB is always having to look to his 2nd or 3rd option, which gives your pass rush more time to get there.


just my opinion here, but i think that Pete Carroll, being a defensive minded coach, will probably take Berry if he is still there at 6. If he is not, Who knows. He has stated that there would be a focus on running the ball, which to me says they will build up the line, but it will be hard to judge when they will take a lineman.

the thing that I love and hate about Scott is that he reaches full speed it seems by the time he hits the line. I think his 40 time is right on the money. If you watch him on film he is so fast to the line but he is always getting chased down. If he had a second gear he would be a 1st round talent. But the same thing could be said about Blount, Tate and a few other guys.

Actually, Tate is pretty quick on game film, but he just doesn't have the agility, vision and elusiveness that guys like Spiller and Blount have. I just can't jump on the bandwagon for that reason. I want a guy who makes people miss on a regular basis. Not just a north/south runner who can bounce outside. Those types of backs just don't have the "wow" factor to me.

Didn't realize the type of players that have come out of Maryland. Thanks for the info. It makes me want Bruce Campbell at #6 even more.

Blount is NOT an elusive guy he is a bruiser. Gerhart has better cutting ability than Blount, and at 4.55 his speed is just fine in the 40 and on tape. Tate may possibly be the best all around back in the draft and will not get caught from behind too much. I really like Tate as a very solid guy who can block and catch as well as run. Gerhart fits a man blocking scheme better than a ZBS but is a stud. Spiller is a great talent but not an every down back.

Ben Tate and Ryan Matthews have ridiculous speed for thier size. Unbelievable! They appear to have the best blend of size and speed in the draft. I bet thier 40 times dramatically improve thier draft stock. There's no way these guys fall past the second round now.

Mr. Mali-

I totally disagree about Tate, but to each their own. Have you even seen Gerhart or Blount run, because you are totally mixing up their running styles. Gerhart is a strict north/south runner with a simple break to the outside, no agility at all. Blount on the other hand has the ability to make a player miss. Just watch them on youtube and you'll see that Blount cuts hard, makes moves and then there's always the play he hurdled a guy. You won't ever see that from Gerhart. And in watching them play you would see that Blount actually looks faster on tape than Gerhart and it's because he is quicker and MORE elusive. That's just my two cents worth. Just go back and watch him.

ben tate at #40.... tate is fast (third fastest fourty time for RB's) and he is big plus he does make people miss,and runs very hard with huge effort, he gets to the line fast and has catching ability and has the mentality of a great RB, tate is gunna be something like shonn greene, im calling it.

I guess it is possible to run it in 4.2 seconds.

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