CB Josh Wilson Gone??? (Updated)

I just saw this on the Trib website. Wow! I thought maybe Josh would be involved in a trade soon but was hoping for a decent RB in return. A conditional 5th isn't all bad and we must really have faith in the emergence of Walther Thurmond and Roy Lewis. They look promising but are not experienced and established like J Dubs. Oh well, I think the busy day today at Hawks HQ is a prelude of things to come this weekend!

josh wilson was all about big plays!!!
why not kelly jennings!

Have to think that Carroll and Shneider know more about football than I do. My gut reaction is anger but I guess we are pretty deep there. Thurmond is more physical and Roy Lewis is too good just to cut. But why know babineux. Different position but dang. They should have thrown in McGahee

He was our best kick returner.

The first thing that comes to my mind is how open Carroll has been about wanting bigger CB's. I suspect this plays a huge role in their decision. Not to mention that he has also been very open about how high he is on Thurmond. I suspect he expects Thurmond to take over the starting position at some point this season, but the ACL concerns me. Jennings just can't be the guy. Hmm... still a bit dumbfounded by this move.

I have no idea why they would have done this. Josh has been one of the few bright spots for the Hawks over the past couple of seasons. Who knows, maybe he was more of a coverage liability than we knew but he sure seemed like a pretty good corner with a bright future to me.

I really liked roy lewis. And I love Thurmond.
IN PETE WE TRUST.

I agree, Wilson was our returner. This move has to be because we need another draft pick to deal in trade. That said Wilson was either on a big play or really bad on his coverage, Usually he would average 5 really bad coverage plays and then make up for it by having 1 big play. Wilson was definantly not consistant so maybe that's what they were looking at.

He was too small for Carroll I dont think Jennings has any trade value so we are stuck with him. He probably wont see much action this season. Or maybe the coaches are happy with him who knows. They are the ones that have their names on the line right.

I like this move, Jennings obviously doesn't have trade value and it's nice to see we got a 5th rounder for him. Not bad at all...more draft picks gives a team huge trade advantages. Plus I love Thurmond...More positive moves Pete!

To those who are asking why we didn't deal Babineaux or Jennings instead: what makes you think there are any teams interested in them?

Babineaux is probably going to be cut.

Jennings will probably stick, to the dismay of many Seahawks fans.

I'm now at a point where I will just wait for the dust to settle, if ever, and see how this final 53 plus 7 PS guys shakes down. Still love the Polumbus trade of only a 2012 late rounder and the Leroy Hill salary reduction moves from earlier, even if I am not on board fully with the Wilson deal.

just read it could become a 4TH rounder depending on how many games Josh starts...that would sweeten this deal, now lets do the dame thing for Julius and we'll be set

I'm really not a fan of the wilson deal. I didn't expect him to be our starter, but I sure as hell would rather see him than Jennings. I have to say that Jennings has always looked good on plays until the ball gets within 10 yards of him and a receiver and then he finds a way to fall down or suddenly get out of position. I just don't get it. I don't even care that Jennings has no trade value. He should have been cut two years ago!

its either a 4th or a 5th. depends on how much wilson plays.

Guess which castoff Seahawk goes to the Pro Bowl this year and win a dinner for two at the Hasty Tasty All Night Diner.

Congrats on making the team, Lewis. You might even start.

Funny, I'd just written my brother this morning that Wilson was one of the 3 Seahawks most overrated by fans, along with Carlson and Hawthorne. Seahawk Steve has the reason correct - for every highlight reel play Wilson made, he also blew a coverage. Still better than Jennings, who doesn't blow coverage as much, but still gets beaten when he plays correct coverage.

It looks like the staff considered Jennings and Wilson both nickel backs in an ideal situation, and there was only room for one. On the other hand, where I was mentioning in a past post that someone like Rob Sims doesn't fit the OL so you might has well trade him and try to build chemistry with a new guy, I don't think chemistry applies as much to the secondary where you can just plug in a guy and run with it. So while Wilson may not be a good fit against the big WRs in the division, I don't see a compelling case to trade him *now*. Only exception is if the additional pick at their disposal frees up a pick to trade for someone else now as well...

This might be a sign of Scot McCloughan making his mark on the team. He's always been a guy who's more about size and speed - not to the extreme that Al Davis is, but definitely on the opposite side of the spectrum from Ruskell.

Josh Wilson is worth more than a 5th round pick. He was a decent cover corner and above average return man. I like the young guys but Baltimore got a heck of a deal! Boo

I'd say this is a big vote of confidence to Walter Thurmond, Roy Lewis, Golden Tate, and maybe even Marcus Trufant in a way.

Also, as demonstrated a few months ago, draft picks in the hands of John Schneider and Co. are a good thing.

Glazer at Fox has just reported Cardinals are officially shopping Leinart. Hmmm?

I dont really get this move, but I guess I will have to continue drinking the koolaid...

Wilson is the one the popped the ball up so Thomas could get the pick six.

Bring one the young bucks...

Pete and john on 710 espn now.

Looks like leon will be the kick returner according to pete.

You build a team by developing players and stockpiling picks. Wilson, at 5-9 is too short for PC. I don't like short CB's either. We have depth at the position so why not get someone back rather than cut one of our guys. Lewis and Thurmond are keepers and can fill in for Wilson. We will get an extra 4th out of this as he should play alot for the Ravens. That will take the sting out of the 3rd we lost for Whitehurst. This time of year with so many guys being cut it is hard to get much more.

doesn't like short corners, Thurmond and Lewis are playing well and Josh is a UFA at the end of the year. If you can get value now I don't have a huge issue with it.

On that note - if all of the currently hurt OL are back in a week or two there is a huge log jam. If they really like Polumbus and he is not just a body to get through a week or two I would expect to see a trade of Locklear. Just a hunch.

This move just pisses me off - a former second rounder for a 5th?? And they're starting Jennings!?!?!?!? That guy couldn't cover a wet paper bag - great - another season of watching Jennings get drug all over the field by bigger, stronger wideouts and tight ends...this is a tragedy.

I trust Pete Carroll but I personally would have wanted Kelly Jennings, who is physically USELESS gone instead.

Has anyone heard about Housh being cut.Brock Huard said it will happen on KJR this morning.I am surprised by the Wilson move but Pete must know something we dont.He is good but i must say Roy Lewis has played better.Wilson will be missed.

for the fans that dont like this move,it is part of a rebuilding the 30th ranked secondary in the league.I thought wilson was a good special teamer. it seems that we are getting some depth there as well.

I am fully expecting a couple more before the start of the season. They may not make sense now but this is a rebuilding year.

I think any one of these guys could possibly be traded. Nothing major in return but trying to get some value

Hill
Housh
Branch
Locklear
Jones

Not sure if i like this trade. I trust in carroll but this makes me believe that he knows that we are not going to completly turn it around this year. Build through the draft and trades. If anything this is a fun off season.

I think we should have 9 draft picks next year. Lots of ammo to move up.

1
2
4
4 - Comp pick for Burleson
5
5- Wilson trade could be a 4th
6-
6- LoJack trade
7-

Diddn't we get a pick in the Tapp trade? So much has happened that I don't remember?

Trading Wilson is a concern, especially for depth. But I just hope it's Thurmond to start. Jennings can't cover a bear in a phone booth.

Like the Eagles the Ravens know how to pick the meat off a dead Seahawk. 3 & 13 forever.

Yes, yes, yes, you have to trade something to get something. Wilson will start and we will get a fourth rounder. Thurmond is the now and future. I love the way these guys are turning over this roster.

We already used the Tapp pick this year.It was a fourth round pick from Philly.We aquired E.J wilson DE from North Carolina

The only reason that I like this is that Josh was going to be an UFA next year and we weren't going to sign him again anyway. So we get a 4th or 5th for someone that won't be around next year. We will suffer this year, though.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/..._headlines


Jennings to start...... (sigh)

...at this point I feel like I need to allow for more than one off-season and a few pre-season games before I start to second guess decisions made by guys who are closer to the field and far smarter than me when it comes to NFL personnel decisions.

That stated, I've never really understood the Kelly Jennings issue. My thoughts have evolved (absent something better to consider) to include the idea that perhaps we've kept Jennings on as a move to ensure we can provide press coverage should Vern Troyer ever decide to take up a second career as a WR.

But despite my cynicism regarding Jennings, the Kool-Aid still tastes appropriately sweet, and so with that, I'll have another glass. The Seahawks have been a bad team for a few years now; perhaps I should give the guys taking over a chance to make the changes they feel necessary to make things right.

According to Seahawks.com we signed defensive end James Wyche, formerly from the Texans... also

The 6-foot-5, 279-pound Wyche is a former Jacksonville Jaguars seventh-round draft pick who played collegiately at Syracuse.

Ozmo,
The Vern Troyer comment was awesome. It actually made me laugh out loud. Props.

Wyche could be in the spirit of compition or just be camp fodder, but who knows... He seems to be the same build as jackson so I am not sure why thy brought him in.

I am thrilled with more picks next year.We picked up some studs this year with our fourth and fifth round picks.Lets just hope we can trade up next year and utilize these extra picks.I hope hoping for one of these three guys to be in a Hawks uniform next year.Locker,Quinn or Floyd.

Fieldgulls is hilarious. We have one of the worst pass defenses last year, and folks over there are freaking out over a mediocre undersized corner, who got outplayed this preseason.

We hardly gave up a probowler here. We've seen his best. He might it in better w/ the Ravens too.

Tim Russkel must be laughing his a** off right now.

NFL managers all over the league are flooding the Seahawk phone lines wanting to make deals.

Wyche = Leo-type athletic freak flier. Ran a 4.63 at 262 lbs in the 2006 combine. Hasn't produced anywhere he's been.

At first I was surprised (to say the least) but then I was reminded that Wilson would be in the last year of his contract, so we likely weren't keeping him anyhow...so we got a 5th for giving up his services for the season...I can live with that...

on most teams. And he's not in the long term plans. Good move.

With this and Hill's pay cut another thing to consider is that they are creating cap space for a big name player. I know it's an upcapped year, but you have to plan ahead too.

I heard Huard talking about Housh and he didn't say he thought he'd would get cut, he said he wouldn't be surprised if it did. When asked about the comment by Huard, Clayton stated that he wouldn't be totally surprised, but that it was unlikely.

I just don't see the value in cutting Housh. He has trade value still in him. He did have 79 receptions for 911 yards on a horrible offense. SD may be interested with the emergence of Floyd.

Hard to tell with this new staff. I'll be crossing my fingers that the planets will align and we make a play for Revis. Wilson gone, clearing up cap space, NY could have some interest in Hill. How about Hill and our 1st for Revis and a fat contract. I can dream...

We just traded Marvin Gardens for Baltic Ave. what a crock of shit!

CTS, the only cap in the NFL's future is the one on players heads... Salary caps will never happen again.

I looked at the fifth round picks in the last five years and it doesnt look good.I could only come up with a handfull of studs.Breant Celek,Jhonny Knox and are very own Will Herring.

Wilson has been the best thing about out D backfield the last couple years. His overall performance has been solid. He was an asset. We did not get compensated high enough for him. So I guess Pete Carroll and Shneider know how to buy the right thing at the right price. The trick to selling anything is to get more than what its worth. Not less. Ravens are hurtin in D backfield. Should have made them sweat a little. I can't believe a 4th or 5th. Just not enough.

Bad move, and not enough in return.

Josh Wilson was a playmaker and a little tough guy. This was a bad trade.

Josh was a little better then average player on a Bad DEFENSE,Do we want average does pretty good for an undersized corner really get it?I would love to see Kelly Jennings go but who in there right mind would trade for him?The guy played his heart out for the Hawks gota love that.but for every great return he got burned twice on coverage our secondary has been crap, Im cool with doing anything to change that.

Good move! So what if some think he was the best part of one of the worst secondaries ever, this is all a part of rebuilding. You have to give up something to get something people. Plus I don't really think that a 5'9" Cb is really much to cry about losing.

I've been generally optimistic about the moves that Schnieder and Pete have made. However, I don't get this one. Isn't his value likely to go up after the first game of the season when teams that are hurting in the secondary but view themselves as contenders get toasted. Heck, maybe they even have another injury to make them even more desperate?
When Schneider used Randy Moss and the 4th rounder NE gave up for him as an example of fair market value, I wanted to puke. Moss was a malcontent and a trouble maker and it was his behavior and NE really not knowing which Randy Moss they were going to get that lowered his value. We gave up the equivalent of two 3rd round picks for Charlie Whitehurst. Is he worth more than two Randy Moss's? Of course not. It is all about supply and demand. I would have loved to get a 3rd round pick in next year's draft to replace what we gave up for Charlie. Couldn't they have at least gotten a 4th that could turn into a 3rd?

Josh is an exciting player and I met him a few times- a really nice guy. That being said- the front office obviously made a decision that after this year they would not resign him as he would be an UFA.

Josh believes that he is a STARTING corner in the NFL and he is- on bad teams or teams thin at CB. In reality he is a GOOD nickle corner and we were not going to pay him top dollar. He was going to walk.

The players they will need to resign after 2010 will likely be: Mike Williams and/or Brandon Mebane. I believe they are both unrestricted. (Leon Washington and Matt too, but I think Mebane and BMW more valuable and younger.

A lot of freakin' out tonight. I like Wilson but and I am not sure he is really worth the amount of freaking out that is going on. In most teams he would be a back up, he doesn't meet the CB prototype we want especially in NFC west, we have other good return specialists, we have good young CB's, he was on the last year of his contract, we got at least a 5th round draft choice, probably a 4th round, we are rebuilding a team. For all the hate against Jennings (he had one bad year) I think him and Wilson are similar: decent backups, who were probably drafted higher then there worth in the first place. Give it up lets move on. Go Thurmond! Go HAWKS.

FUCK YOU!!

Josh Wilson was one of my favorite Seahawks, a real playmaker and you only got a 5th round pick in return? And kept Kelly Jennings!? You idiot!!

Comparing this trade to the Moss trade is dumb. You can't really equate a trade that had a huge salary as the Moss contract in the salary cap era to a guy not making a lot of money in the non-salary cap era. The Raiders needed cap room and the Pats needed that one player to get them to a super bowl. This is neither of those situations.

There is no justification for this trade. If the FO liked Thurmond so much, then start him at CB2 and keep Wilson at Nickel. He is a lethal pick 6 threat and a good tackler.

If you want to complain about Wilson being 5'9, then tell me why Jennings is still on this team. He's the same size as Wilson, only much slower, and actually terrible.

This is worse than the Tapp trade. Our FO loves to undervalue our own players. It makes me sick.

Moss established the market value? Hardly. How about trading a 1st for Branch? Morons.

I'm happy for Josh. He gets to go back to his hometown, which he seems to love very much. This looks like a win-win situation. I'll be watching for Josh whenever I watch the Raven's play, that is for sure! He is a special player.

But how cant you see this as a good move for the team. yes he's one of our play makers and prolly the most exciting in the last couple of years. But lets move on. Look at the bright side..... He gets to play for he's home town and we get a possible 4th round pick. This is a WIN WIN WIN for us the ravens and JDUB!.... NOW LET THE DRINKING CONTINUE!

Wow. My issue with the trade is that I didn't see it as needing to be made – if we really wanted to, we could find a way to keep 5 cornerbacks this year. And it does hurt us this year, but I don't think it's a difference that'll cost us a playoff spot.

I don't think getting a 4th/5th back for Wilson is a ripoff. Wilson is a starter when you don't have a great group of CB's, but we would rather he be the nickel back. He's pretty decent, we like the way he plays, but he has flaws. Carroll/Schneider aren't the only ones thinking this. Ruskell wouldn't have brought in Ken Lucas last year and immediately inserted him as starter if he felt Wilson was a sure thing.

You've got to realize that DB's don't get traded for much. Here's a list from the last 2 years:
-2-time Pro Bowler Lito Sheppard was traded for a 2009 5th rounder and a conditional 2010 pick that was never realized.
-Ellis Hobbs, regular starter and good kick returner, was traded in 2009 for 2 2009 5th rounders.
-Last year's Pro Bowl alternate Sheldon Brown and part-time LB starter Chris Gocong were traded for a 4th and 5th rounder in 2010 and special teamer LB Alex Hall.
-Regular starter Chris Houston was traded for a 2010 6th rounder and conditional 2011 7th.
-Former All Pro Antonio Cromartie was traded for a 2010 3rd round pick.
-Former All Pro Kerry Rhodes was traded for a 2009 4th round pick and a 2010 7th.

Josh Wilson is less accomplished than all of those guys at the time of trade, maybe with the exception of Houston. If you tell an objective observer (non-Seahawks, non-Ravens fan) that Wilson should've commands a 3rd rounder given those other data points, you'll get laughed at.

And it's hard to argue that you could've gotten more because Baltimore was desperate at the position. GM's generally don't make rash decisions like that, and if they do, they might get fired. It's a pity one example is our previous GM.

I love how Hawk fans always think our players require such high market value! Hey, a 5'9" CB that is known for getting beat fairly consistently and has played on probably the worst secondary in football isn't going to warrant a high value. That's the simple truth whether we are blinded by homer-ism or not!

And Sourhawk, I would get rid of Jennings too if it was up to me (which it is not), so I don't see your point. The bottom line is whether a fan favorite or not, Wilson is not that good of a player.

How about people realize that Josh Wilson isn't a starting cornerback, his inconsistencies and height did play a factor...period. Ask yourself if you had a team today would you draft Josh Wilson as your starting CB? If you say yes, then I guess there is a reason why you are just another sour person sitting on your couch and not in the front office of a pro sports franchise. All this whining for a mediocre player is ridiculous. I want to see what people say when we trade this pick in next year's draft to move-up and draft another starter in this league. GO HAWKS!!

I'm glad there are some rational voices out there. I like JW, but he's an average at best CB when compared to the corners playing around the league. Only Seahawk fans are aware of the guy. Ask anyone else that follows the NFL who JW is and they would not have a clue. Fans overvalue their team's players all the time. You've got to think rationally. The guy was average at best and would have been gone in a year anyway. Glad we got something for him now.

I dont like it one bit. Jennings still on the team?! A measly fifth for Wilson?! Ahh Crap!

Wilson had been struggling, but so what?! Jennings cant get it done consistently, Roy Lewis and Thurmond are a year from being ready to start at least, and Wilson is a solid, solid tackler and a better nickel back than my sentimental fav Hawk, Babineaux.

What a waste.

Wilson also was a competitor, which we need around here. I just dont get it. Why, oh why do we dump players of worth for so little?! Hell, we should have been able to get a third out of Balitmore, theyre so damned desperate for cb help.

This is just as bad as trading so much for Whitehurst. Worse than not holding Holmgrens feet to the fire for Wallace.

I like what Caroll has done by and large, but I absolutely HATE this.

To be fair, Kelly Jennings is two inches taller than Josh Wilson. He's just a scrawny inconistent pansy who tackles like Deion Sanders.

Muttley--great examples of recent db trades. Good to know. It still stings to lose Wilson, but whatever. This isnt quite as bad as watching that dick Timmay! Ruskell dump Weaver and Morris and replace them with Duckett/Jones/The Raider FB for three times the money..but its close.

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