Seattle Seahawks at #60

We need pass rusher

Griffen?

asshats, geez, friggin talking heads.

Browns had to jump in front of us to grab Hardesty. I guess Hardesty was as much on our radar as me thought. I'm hoping for everson griffin.
Is it funny that everytime the Hawks are on the clock, it always seems like a convenient time to cut to commercial?

I still like a QB - Colt McCoy is a winner and the draft is deep on the D side of the ball. We can package a couple later picks for a DE/DT.

Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forrest

Brandon Ghee, we wern't 30th in pass D because we were unlucky, we had no talent.

They talked about Brown at #14 and he's available at 60. I'd take him even though it's not a huge need at time, it's amazin value.

Still too many receivers on the board. We have a glaring hole in half of our D-line. Just get Griffen.

...Griffen though.

Golden Tate!

Nice - exactly what we needed. Another WR under 6'0". Great athlete, but is not going to create any mismatches. We have a PR/KR now.

Golden Tate Hell YA

Don't we have Deion Butler already?

Golden Tate (WR) ND

I'm OK with that, but we really need another end.

we signed 4 6' 3" or above free agent receivers, at least one of them will pan out. We have a ton of height in camp at receiver.

Seahawks decline Clausen and instead take the guy who made him look good: Golden Tate. Sweet!

I am happy with the pick. Pete and John rocks

Dissapointment.
Want/Needed Everson Griffen.

Oh hell yes I did not think that hawks would value golden I am so stoked

Who knows Griffen better than Pete.

Hope so, Blue. Would've loved to see a QB or a DE. Tate is a great athlete and I've been impressed. Hopefully this will at least result in Deion Branch getting sacked.

...if STTBM shit himself.

I'm happy for you, bro.

Damn. Damn. Damn!

We needed to bolster our defensive line here. I was sure he was going to pick someone like Griffen.

Even with Thomas patroling the backffield, if we can't mount a pass rush, any NFL QB can just pick us apart. See last season. First mistake Carroll's made in my opinion.

I was thinking DE, but with Burleson gone we did need a returner.

So

housh
reggie williams
deion branch
mike williams
deon butler
golden tate

Trade please???

The WR competition in this year's camp is definitely going to be interesting!

Well, it looks like Pete has a lot of faith in Lojack and Reed, two guys he does know really well.

i wouldn't have minded seeing Brown

quarterbacks are garbage? What have you been? Hass is a pro bowler and Whitehurst has never had an oppurtunity! Give them both a damn chance. Hass is among the best, not elite, but the best when healthy and protected. Getting him protected and getting him weapons and shored up our defense backs so were not always playing from behind. Golden Tate works. And we have tall former first round guys going into camp. TWO of them! TWO former first rounds! Good job hawks. Move up for Griffen now though!

I think this could mean the end of Branch. Maybe we can get a 6th for him? Butler and Tate do what Branch does and they are younger and cheaper.

I never thought he would drop this far.

I guess we should have seen this one coming with all the emphasis PC put on acquiring Marshall and the free agents we brought in and signed. He was determined to get a receiver. I sure hope Tate doesn't bust. We could have made a signigicant addition to our defense here.

I agree... adding the DE would make my day

Now it goes into Gibb's hands.

Branch is not going anywhere although I would really like to trade up and include branch. But I have a feeling that Pete and Co really like branch and has trust in him.

really, everson griffen? carroll coached him at USC. I think he'd be a pretty good judge at if he was ready to contribute to our yes, lackluster DE position.

Golden Tate FTMFW

we are not all going to agree on eac pick, but you'd think the Hawks have completely screwed this draft after reading half the comments here. We've acquired top 2 or 3 rated talent at 3 positions of extreme need.

Biggest need? LT. Pick? Okung
2nd Biggest need? Saftey. Pick? Thomas
3rd Biggest need? DE or WR. Pick? Tate.

Give this draft the credit it deserves and relax!

because we just drafted a slightly better deon butler. not too bad i guess, but there were quite a few players i think would have been much better

luke warm on Tate but if it helps a Branch trade I am all for it.

Caroll would know him best.

The way the seahawks war room looks like it seems like they are done for today. Although I could and hope be wrong.

He looks tougher, stronger, and very productive. This was a tremendous value pick, and PC could have taken his former WR Williams and didn't, so that should say something as well.

Adding talent - that's what it's all about.

but what will become of Branch?
I think Curry will be lined up outside quite a bit now...

sdcougr...well put.

Although he is only 5'10", Golden is a very good WR. I watch a lot of highlights of Clausen and who was catching all his balls? All Golden. Some may say that Golden made Jimmy look better than he really was. Golden caught some pretty wicked passes and saved Jimmys ass a number of times (bad throws)

He will be great to fill in for Bobby Engram. he will help the Hawks move down the field, but maybe not so good in the endzone due to his lack of height. We have a ton of tall WR's to score us TD's when we are in the red zone.

We now have a playmaker on both sides of the ball and a vastly upgraded OL.

I think Clausen landed in the perfect place.

Congrats to him.

Funny that Clare F. didn't mention Deion in the short list of receivers that Tate will be joining on the Seahawks roster.... (seahawks.com)

Good point about replacing burleson Japanhawk.

Golden tate is speaking live.

We're getting into the range now where Branch + a pick could get us into the third round?

I love it. We really need help at WR and Tate is awesome.

the last time Branch was healthy an entire season?? Tate is a great value pick at a position of need. NO Burleson, a constantly banged-up Branch, and unknown in Butler, and 2 guys who were out of the league last year. Yes, this was a great pick at 60

For whatever it is worth, CBS had Tate as the second rated WR in the draft and had him going with the 31st selection.

I think it's been a great draft so far. Stud LT, excellent cover/play-making safety, and now a play-making WR/KR/PR. There are still some opportunities to get a DE later in the draft, in free agency, or via trade. Much too early to be mad or say this pick was a mistake because we didn't get a DE.

BTW, have you guys seen where Taylor Mays is saying he feels "betrayed" by Pete Carroll? Thinks Carroll lied to him about how ready he is for the NFL.

It's on PFT Rumor Mill.

Housh and Branch are still on the roster, Tate will obviously be as well, and Obomanu has special teams skills that make him valuable. Butler has his work cut out for him.

I like this pick. Tate's a better WR than Clausen is a QB in my opinion.

Holy crap! I just got home and heard the news!! yeeeeeeahhhh!! WHoooohoooooo!!

Never in a million years did I think we'd get him at 60. Im in shock. this is just awesome!

Ha! Billt got his LT, and the top rated one at that, I got a WR, and my favorite too! And we got the second best FS in about forever. All that with three picks?!

I dont think its hyperbole to say this is the best Seahawks draft EVER! I am even more thrilled than when we snagged Curry and Unger despite a trade down.

Agree 1000% that this has been a good, possibly a great draft for the Seahawks. Very un-Ruskell-like!

An unbelievable draft so far.

Golden Tate is a real talent, a real competitor. He can fit wherever. Branch better step up, but who cares if he doesnt.

We still need a big strong fast WR, but Julio Jones next year anyone?!

We should be able to field three WR at a time that kick butt for any occasion now, between Housh, Branch, Butler, Tate, and The Williams Twins. Hass isnt going to make the team, Obo is done. I wish him luck but I never thought he'd last this long.

Tate will be productive, whether its at FL, the slot, or even at SE. He's fast enough to try out there anyway.

Did I say Whoohooo?! Whoooohoooo!

For the nay sayers again i ask who would have thought we'd get Tate at 60? How could you pass?

...take a look at my post above.

...I got one of the two elite safeties I was so interested in, so looks like we're all happy!

Next step: put it all together and win some games!!!!

I wanted a safety too. I'm super stoked!

I am waiting for a seahawks trade into the third round. Mark my words, its gonna happen.

Bi9llt--I cannot believe youre disapointed with the pick! Seriously, did you watch Tate play?! He's a hell of a lot more physical than Butler. No comparison. I cannot believe he fell so far.

And how about having some faith in Carolls judgement like youre always harping on others to do?

There were some good defenders available, but none were as big a need as WR. Plus, Tate was talked about as a sure first rounder/upper second. Its amazing that someone with his talent and work ethic fell so far.

Im the last one to call for WR under 6' but this kid can really play.

He just may be the steal of the entire draft. And he should help immediately. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by his performance.

Besides that, the DT's available and the DE's would have taken a couple seasons to realy get onfield. DE is a position that often takes years even for first rounders to get it. And we have brought in several players to man the elephant position, so I don think Caroll and company see DE as big a need as many of us thought.

Anyway, brighten up. Tate should have gone higher, we needed him, and next year Im sure we take a DE/DT high. As well as Julio Jones.

Great so far i believe pc will trade a 4 or 5 for lynch now that he #3 rb for the bills

It was as if we got a #40 pick at #60 and picked up a backup qb too. I didn't think we'd have upgraded so much talent this quick.

Hawksince77--Hey, thanks man! We got our LT (and Okung even!), a badass FS/CB, TATE!! TATE!! TATE!! and we still have plenty of picks to go. Too bad we dont have a third...

There was no way we were gonna fix all the holes in one draft, but we're covering some serious ground!

I forgive them for Whitehurst now. I dont care if he totally busts, Im a happy Seahawks fan. If Butler ever pans out, discounting Ruskells crappy first rounders before Curry, this will make three straight years of excellent drafts.

It would be nice to trade up and take Griffin since he is still there...

the exact same thing.

GO HAWKS!! What do you think Mora is doing?

GO HAWKS!! What do you think Mora is doing?
I hope he's not around any razor blades.

Golden Tate is a great pick. We havent picked a difference maker in a long time and Tate is that guy. Seahawks will love this guy for years to come.

best draft ever. i would tend to agree that this would make branch obsolete. and for those who think, we got another butler, i would strongly disagree. like sttbm said, he is a much stronger, faster version of him. lest we forget, we let are KR/PR burly go. i would venture to say that tate will best his numbers in this dept as well. i love it, now go get DE or RB.

This maybe the greatest pick in seahawks recent history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I read this as a pure BPA pick. WR is not a huge need at the moment and I don't see any real upside of Tate over the guys we already have, but he was ranked much higher than #60 and if he is as good as the write-ups make him sound he will be on the roster on opening day. That's about all I want as far as guarantees go for a late 2nd rounder. If he turns into a starter by next year this is a big win. Even as a #3 receiver this year or next it's a fair pick.

Now we are going to be trying to bolster our DL with late picks - which is a much more difficult proposition.

I still have to give this draft at least a B+ so far.

Only 11 picks left and Griffin is still there!!! Can this really happen?!?!?

Do NOT forget and/or underestimate the need of a returner. I do argue, that was a need as much or more as DT/DE depth.

Come on BillT, give it a chance and sleep on it. Also, don't forget we have already signed depth at DE.

I think you are exactly right. It was a value pick. Tate should have gone much earlier, at least based on what we read.

After the first round, there was no reason to reach at any position. BPA and maximizing the talent level was critical, and still is.

Yes, Seattle could have gone the entire draft without adding a WR (or a RB, TE, CB). Now they can get a strong safety in the 4th or 5th, a couple more o-linemen, a late round RB (Blount, Stafon Johnson) and they will be set to start the 2010 season.

More holes/upgrades can take place next draft or in FA.

For those of you who think that Tate wasnt a good pick, I suggests you check out some youtube footage. This guy can play! He reminds me of a Steve Smith. We already have good height at WR with R and M Williams signing. Tate will bring the playmaking ability of Spiller without the high costs.
He can play RB, WR, and return kicks. Tate at 60 was the steal of the draft. If Carroll passed on his former players, they might suck. D end is still a slight need but not so much if Curry can play the elephant role in the 3-4- hybrid Caroll is introducing. The Hawks will adress the D Line and a power RB in rd 4 and 5

The funny thing about people complaining that we passed on Griffin is that Carroll COACHED the dude. I'm pretty sure the best evaluator of Griffin is Carroll. If Carroll passed on potential pass rush for the BPA in an area of secondary need, then it's probably because Griffin won't get the job done.

I was actually hoping for Brown, but apparently he has some sort of medical issue that made him drop to the last pick of the 2nd round. As the reporters say, there is NO WAY he should have dropped that far.

Gnarly and STTBM,

I'm ok with Tate but I was so hoping we'd concentrate on fixing the foundations of the offense and defense first and then bring in the playmakers to function behind a solid base. I didn't think we were in such dire need of a WR or RB right now this year since it's pretty obvious we're not going to be in position for a serious title run this year with new systems on both offense and defense to implement and the massive turnover of personnel and with a lot of rookies starting.

I thought if we'd fixed our offensive line (in which we've now got an excellant start), the defesnive backfield and pass rush, we'd have a year for those components to gel and then we'd be ready to add the skill players when we can protect them and open up holes for them and give our QB's time to let the plays develop.

Having said that and after letting my dissapointment subside when we passed on a chance to get a much more sure pick at DE than we'll be able to get now, I'm liking that we got another player who apparently fell to us and who should have been drafted higher. I guess I should look at it like if we don't leave some glaring holes left, we might have a much better season next year and we'll play ourselves right out of the franchise QB sweepstakes with a 6 - 10 or 7 - 9 record.

I am happy that most of us got the prime player they were wanting. I'm still pinching myself that we actually landed Okung. Thomas was a huge bonus. I can almost wonder if we'd somehow acquired Cleveland's first pick that we'd have drafted Okung and Thomas at #6 and #7. To get that pair at #6 and #14 is just flat out amazing.

So, here's to you getting your boy too Slave.

Congrats!

Now can we please get LaGarrette Blount?! Then a G, then a SS, then whatever.

And next year, a big fast WR like Julio Jones, a monster DT or DE, and and and

I cant think. We have Okung, Thomas, and TATE! And all three are Ruskell-character guys to boot.

And Jimmy Claussen sucks not because he cant throw or read, but because he istn a leader. Thank you Gruden!

Im now rooting for Colt McCoy. The guy lost $30 million bucks because he came back for his senior season. How do you EVER get over that? Life is most definitely not fair. And I tell you what, McCoy is a true leader. Whatever other fualts he may have, he is a field general.

Somebody needs to draft Griffen soon.

I still want us to get Myron Rolle for SS, and a G in the fourth. If we do, Im going to freak out. Seriously, if it happens Im buying some freaking lottery tickets!

The way the draft is progressing for the Seahawks, we'd better all hope PC hit a home run with Whitehurst. We could become a decent team this season and finish somewhere around .500 which won't get us in the playoffs but will take us out of contention for the elite QB's next year. If that happens, we're going to be drafting a QB every year in the middle rounds and hoping we finally hit on one before Charlie gets to be Matt's age.

I think that Tate is a great pick. It is such a different experience on draft day to be saying "great pick," rather then "huh." So far, we've picked 3 guys with the potential to be pro-bowlers.

At least they have drafted 3 starters. If we get two more starters in this draft, then it could go down as one of the best in franchise history.

Billt--So now youre back to advocating for an NFL head coach to DELIBERATELY tank not only his gameplanning, but his preseason draft strategy, in order to have one of the top three picks the following year?!!

I know youre in love with the idea (as many are) of hometown boy Locker being Seattle's pick next year, but that would mean we go 1-15. Do you really think a Pete Carrol team would finish 4-12 or worse even if he kept last years team compeltely intact and refused to draft a single players?

No halfway decent coach EVER passes on BPA at a position of need in fear of winning too many games. OTherwise they wouldnt be the type of personality to lead an NFL team to greatness. Even Mora couldnt have done that.

So yeah, Caroll might go 9-7 or 10-6 next year. And you bemoan that and predict a decade of mediocrity since we wont suck and get one of the top 2 qb's in next years draft?! Thats why guys like you and me arent NFL coaches.

Again, what happened to having respect for Caroll and Schneiders professional judgement? One pick--a late second rounder--that wasnt spent on a position you crave, and now you are bailing on Caroll and comapany and fearing mediocrity for years?!

man, I sure hope youre being sarcastic. Otherwise your posts of the last few months seem pretty hypocritical, in my opinion.

I recall feeling really down about Mora right before the firing. I as hoping for something fresh, a hot college coach is what I told co-workers. They chuckled, mentioned the usual suspects and such. I said, no, like Johnson. Fire, passion and someone w/ a plan. I didn't know much about Pete then, other than he was a winner at USC.

I know Pete now, and I spilled the coolaid all over my shirt after the last two days. Pleae be our Bill Walsh, you are so much like him already.

Heres to the rest of the draft - Go Hawks!

Caroll was buying time to find a franchise qb with Whitehurst--thats obvious. He didnt want to forced to take guys like Claussen, Tebow, or even McCoy just because he needed a qb.

That kind of desperation has led to picks like Dan McGwire, Rick Mirer, Kelly Stouffer, etc by us, and picks like Trent DIlfer, Heath Shuler, Jeff George, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Andre Ware, David Klingler, David Carr, Scott Mitchell, Ryan LEaf, etc etc by other teams.

Its obvious Caroll and company didnt like the qb's after Bradford enogh to take them. I bet they know a little about qb's. So we wait. Waiting, even with guys I dont like, such as Catholic Jesus Charlie, is preferable to whiffing on a guy you spend franchise qb picks and money on who busts compeltely.

And who's to say we dont find the next great qb in the next 4-5 years? Meanwhile, Caroll and company have to win a few games to keep thier jobs, which is no doubt in thier minds fairly often as they make decisions.

To me, they are making far better decisions than Holmgren did his first few years hear. And everyone knows Im a Holmgren fan. So Im excited.

And considering how excited you were over the team of Ruskell/Mora/Knapp heading into last year, it absolutely offends me that you arent excited about Caroll's regime. I dont get it. It boggles what passes for my mind.

How can you tear into whitehurst when you don't know anything about him. i keep hearing all this junk without giving the guy a chance. do you really believe that pc and company would have traded for him if they did not think he was going to be a good Qb. it's this type of junk i remember when matt was traded for.
just give him and pete a chance before you start cutting them down

We have filled three areas of need with three starters and all were ranked first or second in their positions. I'd say that's a pretty damn good draft.

We still have a bunch of picks and I'm sure they have a good plan of attack. We pick 6th tomorrow. There is so much talent left to be had.

Great off season so far.

On a side note, McShay picked Seattle as the most improved after the first two days on the network. You should've seen Mora Jr.'s face when that was mentioned. Of course Mora had nothing to say other than he had a man crush on Taylor Mays.

So looking forward to the PC and JS era.

I'm hearing a lot of people say that Tate is a slight upgrade over Butler...But I don't recall hearing ANYBODY comparing Butler to Steve Smith or Hines Ward...would YOU swap the #60 pick for Ward or Smith? I'd be thrilled to get a guy like that in the 1st round...If Tate really IS that good, we got an amazing steal! I wanted Thomas at #14 all along (I always liked that idea much better than Berry at #6) and I'm not about to complain about Okung...even if we tank the rest of our picks tomorrow, this is still a bloody damn good draft!

STTBM,

Of course I'm being sarcastic. Can't you tell with all the smiley faces, winks, and stuff?

I was being serious when I said that Carroll may field a .500 team next season so I do think that we could be relying on Whitehurst to man the QB position for the next few years while we try to find a young franchise type QB to properly relieve him. That's not necessarily a bad thing unless Whitehurst stinks.

Drafting in the second half of the first round will have us going through a few Colt McCoys or Jimmy Clausens until we find one that has the goods in the middle rounds or as second tier QB's on draft day. That could be next year or it could be in 4 more years. Whitehurst should be looked at as the interim QB until the QB of the future is identified. If he can perform that function well even if he's not a truly great QB, then it was still worth everything we gave for him because it will let us find the next guy without panic and desperation driving the decision. Priceless!

I never thought we'd have a chance at Locker next year by the way and for your information, I'm not one of the "have to have Locker" guys. I don't follow college football as a rule (although I try to watch a couple of Husky games every year) and Locker doesn't mean much more to me than any other top notch college QB as a Seahawk prospect. You must have me confused with someone else.

Like I said after reflection, I'm ok with the Golden Tate pick. I'm also still firmly behind coach Carroll and Schneider as GM. What I said before the draft was that if they ignored a LT until the middle rounds counting on Gibbs to find one there (as some guys were suggesting), I'd lose a lot of respect for their prowess as football rebuilders. However, they proved to be exactly on the same page with their picks so I'm still aboard 100% and do believe they know what they're doing.

I did say I thought Carroll made a mistake in not picking up a DE with the #60 pick but that was because a good DE is harder to find in later rounds than a good WR so I felt he would have gotten better value out of a DE. I do believe Tate was a good pickup because he slipped out of his projected range down to us.

To the argument that a good DE takes two or three years to develop and Tate would help the team right away I say that that's even a better reason to have drafted a DE this season so he could go through the learning curve and be an effective player in a couple of years when the rest of the team has gelled and they are ready to be competative. If we wait till next season, then we're another year away from him being ready to become an effective player for us. Water under the bridge now.

Many of us just blurt out our feelings at the time something happens and then reflect later that maybe we didn't see things as clearly as we first thought. Sound familiar Slave? I remember your first tirade after Carroll was hired. I could go back and find it on SA if you don't remember but I'm sure you do. Then I remember your acceptance of the hiring later followed by your climbing aboard the PC bandwagon and sipping a long tall koolaid.

Hey, I'm entitled to an opinion and a discouraging word here and there too you know. You've had enough discouraging words over the last three years so you of all people should understand the concept.

In case you missed it before (go back and look, it's there), congrats on getting your boy drafted. That should have set things straight.

Billt--Excellent comment. Very well reasoned. I can dig your logic now.

Im glad youre not a Locker Homer. SOrry to assume you were. As for be blurting out my feelings, you bet, guilty as charged! I musunderstood your reasoning and opinion, now I get it. I was thrown by your flip-flopping on the Brandon Marshall situation, and the uproar over whether or not Seattle would take a LT high.

Ive had short comments utterly misudnerstood too, and had folks tell me to cut my fingers off so I couldnt type "retarded" opinions anymore. Thats why I asked if you were being sarcastic. Sorry I misunderstood your position.

You can repost my reaction to the Caroll hiring if you like. I was rather upset at our treatment of Holmgren, which I still feel was wrong on several levels. Im still leary of Caroll, but little by little they are earining my respect by thier personnell decisions.

Ive been critical of thier trades (except this one, though missing out on Wooten/McKnight for LenWhale White is odd to say the least), as I feel they were selling low and buying high and not worried about it. SD may have taken a straight trade down this year for Whitehurst, no one will ever know as Seattle didnt even try to bargain. Im still upset about that.

I realize he's a time-buyer to find the next great qb, and Im ok with that--I think thats a smart move. I just dont like the no-bargain thing.

If you remember, I loved Ruskells last couple drafts, with the exception of LoJack, as well. It was the horrible coaching and Ruskells dumping of Holmgrenites for lesser players who cost more that alienated my from that regime.

So I wouldnt say Im drinking any Koolaid. Caroll and company now have what appears to be one of, if not THE, best offseason in the NFL. But they havent played a game yet. As long as the coordinators are an upgrade over Knapp/Mora-Bradley last year (how could they not be?) then we should have a fun season. But of course, if Caroll and company start doing things I think are stupid, I will bash them like I did Ruskell.

Well, tell you what. At this point, I AM drinking the Koolaid. I wasnt predraft, but I guess I am now. Im excited, and if Im excited pretty much everyone else should be too, as Im careful not to get my hopes up--usually.

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