Post-Game Thoughts

Did everyone forget the underhand INT inside the 20 yard line already? I think that was one of the biggest plays in the game. Also one of the worst plays I have seen by a QB in a long time. Easy money for Chicago.

I would really call into question the 5 yards per carry, as with any statistical analysis you must remove the high/low numbers. One or two long runs do not a great running game make. Knapp was calling run after run that resulted in little to no gain.

I do not have the numbers in front of me, but what is J.J.'s yrd per carry without the one long run? That would be a much better example of the effectiveness of the back/running game.

This is all bs Wallace and Mares fault Senneca is not a starting qb his decisions today blew Briggs int,running out of bounds instead of throwing it away the pass to Housh who bales him out of a bad decision. They should of won that game at 2 min left if Mare doesn't miss two feild goals were goimg down for the game winner. Wallace has no touch on the ball blown passes to Carlson,Nate for td and Housh across the middle early on they should of shut down the Bears. Untill we get our starters back its going to hard to watch we should be (comimg from a die hard Hawk fan 3-0) two plays against the niners and few against these Bears. Mare should be cut and getsome onr that can make a feild goal. The defense did great outside of Grant knocking Fisher off of Hester we hold to a feild goal winner winner chicken dinner thank you Vikings and go Colts we need all the help we can get. P.S. this site is the Ship

Klass, you're right, Seneca is not a starting QB... so why would anyone expect him to play like one? If he was a starting QB in this league, don't you think he'd be... I dunno, starting?

The game should not have been on his shoulders. Wallace made a lot of mistakes, but you expect that from a backup QB. The rest of the team almost played well enough to make up for it, but then, tada, didn't.

Finally a people who know what thier talking about. i agree with everything above me.

and ya .. i dont know knapp at all ..his history. but. what was he thinking on 3rd and 1 and making an elaborate play with deon branch. i GUARANTEE branch was like ... "BRO WTF are you trying to make me look like? JOnes was SO SOSOSOSOSO epic today. it refined my faith in RB for Seattle and your going to NOT give it to him on 3rd and 1?!?!?!? are you mad? like what did he do to you?

EVEN the SPORTS ANNOUNCERS made a stat out of the game and said Julius broke his first tackle on every play. 3rd and 1 !?!?!?! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhh

Like I said. I dont know the Knapps history or stats. but I already am watching him like a hawk.

Keath - If we were using the stats to project forward, your idea would make sense. I said he had a good game, he did. You can't just nullify a 20-yard run when you're talking about an actual game. That was a statistic and it was a crucial one.

I understand the move to statistics and all that, I get the notion of outliers, but you can't just pretend something didn't happen when it did have a large effect on the game. If you did, then Alexander wouldn't have been MVP in 2005. You gash the line for 2-3 yard hits over and over again in hopes that you eventually break one. If you ignore the one you break, then most running backs in this league are crap.

Red Zone Efficiency 0/2 - 0%
Average Gain per Rushing Play 3.7
Average Gain per Offensive Play 4.6
Third Down Efficiency 7/17 - 41%

Quick Math on J.Jones - removing High/Low - 4.33 yrds per carry

Do the math. It was NOT Mare's fault we lost. 2 missed field goals = 6 points. We lost by? 6 points.
You honestly think we couldve pulled it off in overtime? NO.
We lost. we did far better than i thought we would, so im happy for that. But we still lost.

Certainly the long runs had an effect and cannot be ignored. The game would not have been as close as it was had he not made those runs.

But the point was made that Knapp only went to J. Jones 19 times.

My point is that beyond the 4 big plays, the rest of his running game was poor at best and very inconsistent

4 plays for 65 yards - 16.25
15 plays for 33 yards - 2.2

Jones played good I guess, though inconsistent (or maybe the line was to blame), but I would not take any great hope for the future based upon this performance.

Keath FINALLY SOMEONE RECOGNIZED IT!
How many times was Seneca able to pass in the pocket? Once? twice at most? He had to run all over the field. O line screwed up BIG. While it wont show in sacks, it will show on film.

JonV

I do not have the scramble/hurries/presure stats.. But I am sure the mobility of Wallace masked some line issues.

OK, we lost. My observations:
* Mare - He's on a short leash now.
* David Hawthorne - Now he's going to want more money.
* Seneca - Still a backup.
* TJ Housh - Keep talking but stop fumbling.
* D-Line - No running inside, but too much outside.
* Julius Jones - I thought he was solid.
* Teel - I hope he develops fast.

There was countless times i did see wallace able to scramble for a first down. or actually use his legs to go for a 15 or so...........

but opinions???

how come he didnt run? was it cuz they wanted him to avoid an injury?

I dont get it. BUT I agree that wallace shouldnt be pinned for everything.yah he made some high throws.
BUT he is the backup quarterback. if he did amazing he would be a starter.

GO HAWKS

Another interesting stat would be the average distance of a Wallace completed pass in relation to the actual yards gained.

I would not be surprised if he averages 10+ yards per pass, but he is so far behind the line of scrimmage when he throws he ends up with a 4-5 yard average gain.

How much of that is line play, a function of the WCO, or Wallace looking for passing lanes?

I'm sure there will be a post about this later on, but Mora's post game comments about Mare were absurdly inappropriate for a head coach.

one quote of several:
"We'll look at changes everywhere," Mora said. "We're not going to fight our [behind] and have a field-goal kicker miss two field goals. It's not going to happen."

The little kid Mora acts like Mare was the only reason the Hawks lost. How about the play calling on the final drive? Knapp sure did great. Didn't the hawks need to get about 3 yards on the last 3 plays? Epic fail there. And how about that reverse to Branch for a loss of 8? That was great too. Love how you coached up your QB to NEVER throw the ball away, and to throw stupid picks when he is outside of the pocket (and inside the 20). Oh and Mora, aren't you supposed to be a secondary specialist? Love seeing the safeties and cornerbacks running into each other out there like buffoons, and all the easy receptions. Good call on having Cory Redding guard Greg Olsen at the goal line too. Loved that.

The bottom line is that Mora really showed today why he has the rep for being immature (and not a great coach). He made plenty of mistakes, and to act like it all came down to the kicker is so lame. Holmgren would never have acted like that.

One last point: If you are relying on your kicker to make 6 field goals to get you the win, your red zone offense sucks and you are a bad offensive coach. Acknowledge that at your next conference you stupid prick. Mora throwing his player under the bus like that makes me a bit ashamed that he is the head coach of my most beloved sports team

The Bears had no reason to worry about our passing game today. In all seriousness, we should've beat these guys today. Wallace is unable to make the touch throws. He makes a few of those throws and they can't come flying at us without regard. Obviously, Matt would've been the difference between a win and a loss today. Lets hope he's back next week. I have no confidence in Wallace being our guy. His decision making is brutal and he doesn't seem to understand that he can throw the ball away. He doesn't throw that interception to Briggs and we have a great chance of winning. Nate was a monster today and should've been hit for TD early in the game had Wallace possess any kind of touch.

I'm still a believer as I believe that we lost two games in which we were a better team. Come on starters. Come back - especially on the offense. Our D looked pretty good.

We need to play mistake free football in order to shut down teams. We made far too many of those today.

I also think that Mare is on a short leash. We need a kicker that we can count on.

yes, we lost by 6, two field goals missed. point is that we could have kicked ffor the win at the end of the game.

Seneca doesn't have the brain for the big moment. He should have seen the last play wouldn't work and looked for something else, or tucked and run.


THe main trouble with Seneca, is that he thinks he is a pocket QB, except he should think run first, and pass second. He melts down under pressure...

There is no chance against the Colts next week. Even if the Hawks were 100% healthy. IMO the season comes down to the Jags and Cards. The Hawks have to win those games and be 3-3 at the bye. With that in mind I would consider keeping Hass, Lofa, etc. out one more week. Take our lumps and get ready for the Jags.

Mare - you gotta take the good with the bad. He had a bad day kicking field goals. However, Gould missed one that he probably makes normally, too. Mare's kick-offs were impressive. He put that thing at the back of the end zone over and over. We knew this going in that Coutu was a better field goal kicker but couldn't kick off and Mare was the opposite. It just bit us in the ass today.

Housh is taking a lot of crap for the fumble, however, he also saved an interception on a jump ball by Wallace. Also, he got his hand smashed early on by Briggs, so that could have had a huge impact on that fumble. Just saying.

I think most of us would agree that Seneca would be more effective if he would run occasionally when the first down is there for the taking. I used to think that he was being coached not to. But things he and Holmgren have said over the years lead me to believe that he resists running because he wants to prove that he is a real QB and not just an athlete who can also pass. I remember Holmgren saying that he told Seneca you don't have to prove that to me go ahead and run.

hey guys love the comments. good food for thought.love the site. love the seahawks most of all! but in my drunkin stupor, i gotta say i hate friggin gregg knapp. was it wallace? tj housh?(most of the league considers him a solid # 2! not a #1!!!!) i think the blame rest mostly with knapp. remember addicts, HE GOT FIRED FROM THE OAKLAND FU****KIN RAIDERS!!! i love my seahawks almost as much as my two sons... but im really hating the way our team looks. oh and just for the record: CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.

We had ample opportunities to win this game but just pissed them away. These are the moments that separate at good team from a mediocre team.

Seneca reaffirmed way he's a back up and not a starter in the NFL. Questionable decision making and errant passes will kill you every time. If you're Ely Manning, Payton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady or Matt Hasselbeck with two minutes to win the game, you get it done. If you're Seneca Wallace you choke.

Too many stupid mistakes will cost you the win and that's precisely what happened today. We essentially handed them the win. I say give Teel a shot while Matt is recovering and use Seneca as a receiver. Seneca has proven he doesn't have the tools to be a starting QB in the NFL.

The missed field goals were unacceptable but it shouldn't have come down to that.

It's not time to panic, we're only one game out of first and tied for second so let's get it together and beat the Colts next week while the Rams take care of the 49'ers which time we'll be right back in the hunt once again.

Seneca Wallace comes into the firt vigorously ...
then Seneca Williams melts down under pressure in the second.
This game was just a replay of what we saw last year @Qfield against GB, Wash, NE, and so on.

I saw a lot of bright spots in this loss.For the first time Jones showed me he is a gamer.The young LBs looked great.With all the injuries and the missed FGs we had a shot to win it in the final minutes against a great bears team.Seneca unfortunately can not throw an accurate pass.I think I am going to like the looks of this team when we start getting back football play makers.I feel way better about this loss then the loss to SF.

it's over folks..let's be honest..no shot against Indy in Indy next week...1-3 start? oof...

How many times did Seneca miss Carlson streaking open down the middle, 4 or 5 times? Terrible decisions. If no one is in front of you, tuck and run for at least 7 or 8 yards. Is Hass is still unavailable next week, give Teel a chance. Please get healthy, starters, while the season is still savable.

I'd like to see more of Teel too. Also agree about greg Knapp.

Special teams cost us this game. Bad FGs, and our returners sucked. We need better blocking or better returners because Nate and Forsett were not helping the offense out any.

Seneca is looking a lot like Jamarcus; no touch or control. 49ers game was winnable, Bears game we won but gave away.

Speaking of gripes - TJ is becoming a little bit of a whiny bitch lately. Burleson is clearly our #1 WR right now but TJ has the ego of a #1 without near the production. Don't say you were open all day and they didn't pass you the ball and if you feel that way don't say it in public. Its throwing your QB under the bus and its pointless. I wish Seneca would come out and say - don't fumble the ball.

I agree with mek, and said as much in the R rated post. Is it just me or did Seneca act like he was going to get AIDS if he ran the ball even once? I have never seen a more mobile QB fight running the ball to the detrimite of the team. Even non mobile QB's would have and could have run for the first on that final play of the game. If I could have seen Wallaces rushing stats before the game, 1 carry for 0 yards, I would have been able to predict the loss. If he was trying to prove that he is a pocket passer not an athletic mobile QB who can pass, he failed. And lost the game. So it is not like he is a bad QB but can manage a game and get the win like our division rival 9ers Hill. Basically, he did not do himself any favors in in this game in the sense that he will be looking for a new job soon. If he ran for one yard, I might not want to throw him under the bus right now. Again, what was keeping him from running for the first on multiple incompletions on short third downs? The only thing I can think of as stated before is that Mora was waiting on the sideline with a vile of AIDS and said to Wallace if he ran for one yard he would inject him with it. This truly is the only thing I can think of that would explain one carry for zero yards.

I'd say that Seneca had a below average game. Sure, TJ fumbled on that play, and dropped another pass. But he also saved an interception(that should have been). Dude needs to just play. Talk is whatever, but don't complain about the number of balls thrown your way. Maybe you'd get more looks if you actually practiced!

Nate got the plays going his way because he practices.

Seneca's game was not good. he didn't get it downfield very often, and made at least three terrible decisions.

Knapp's playcalling was probably limited because of Wallace. But still, a few head scratchers thrown in there. 4th and one throwing to John Fricking Owens? At least it worked. Sort of.

I'm not mad about the end around. Its good to see us take some chances.

Well in Knapps defense that pass to Owens was intended for a wide open Carlson. Owens thought it was just a high pass to him, jumped and made the play.

Guys, Wallace missed Carlson becuase the line didnt give him time to drop back 5 steps--he was throwing early. CARLSON and the line were to blame for those early throws, not Wallace. Wallace even HIT Carlson, and the stupid lunkhead didnt even turn around! For God's sake, didnt ANYONE here play TE or WR in high school???!

Look, when you are running your route, you are supposed to turn and look for the ball after a certain number of steps. So maybe the first time Seneca threw early, thats just the way it is. But any WR or TE with HALF A BRAIN in that game knew that more than likely, Seneca wasnt going to have much time and that they should probably look over their shoulder early--like, as soon as they get half a step on the DB. Carlson NEVER turned his freakin' head! I saw 4 throws where Seneca had to throw early, and Carlson never even turned. Not how a good NFL TE runs routes. This is Carlson's big weakness. If the ball isnt exactly on time, he cant seem to track it and make the catch. Can we get Bobby Engram back please?! We desperately need a third-down reliable target, and no Nate doesnt count, he dropped a good pass on third down for the second straight week!

Wallace did the best he could with not much time, and rarely an open reciever. Matt Hasselbeck would have gotten killed by that offensive line, and his arm is so much weaker than Seneca's, all those hard throws in the dirt never would have connected if Matt were under center Sunday. Not to mention the fact that Hasselbeck NEVER puts the ball exactly where he's supposed to if its more than 11 yards downfield.

Look, with that lousy offensive line, Matt wouldnt even have done as well as Seneca. Seneca made three or four STUPID throws, but his athleticism kept every scoring drive going when Matt would have failed. With an entire year to start and play and practice each week with the starters, I am quite sure Wallace would be a fine qb.

This team still has several holes--still no true number one WR, no starter-caliber RB (we have two change-of-pace backs), and a horrible line--but our biggest problem is the offense as designed and called by Knapp. We are running a junior college offense from the early 1990's, for chrissake! It wont work well in the NFL, no matter how well the players execute it. And Mora doesnt have our team executing all that sharply either. And thats just the offense! How the hell do you spend 120 million bucks on salary this year and look like THAT?! Answer: poor coaching, poor scheme.

Im not happy complaining about our coaching staff, nor am I happy with 1-2--or the ugly way we got here. But it is what it is, to borrow a bad cliche. They got better since last week, but this team still stinks, and the coaches are not pulling thier weight. We have WAAAY too much talent across the board to be this bad.

And what the hell is wrong with Mora calling out a player?! It isnt like Mare didnt try, or got hurt riding an unlicensed motorcycle. Holmgren would never have shown such a lack of poise and class.

Im not giving up on Mora and company yet, but I surely am unimpressed with him so far as head coach. And dont get me started on Knapp. I never liked him, never wanted him here, and now y'all can see why.

I just hope the team isnt giving up yet. As long as they believe in Mora and Knapp, and keep hustling, theres still time to save the season--the NFL season is 17 weeks--a real long time. Anything can happen. It wouldnt hurt my feelings any to see Mora and company step it up and be this years Tardinals Super Bowl Surprise. It just seems like such a long shot after the last couple games.

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