| 01 November 2009
The Seattle Seahawks are 2-5. They have had injury problems, yes, but they have been losing due to poor execution, game planning, and passion. Tim Hasselbeck asked a few weeks ago how well this team can handle adversity. It seems pretty clear that we have the answer, and its not the one we were hoping for.
This team just isn't as good as we thought it was. There is no chemistry. The players have talent, and despite what a lot of people want to believe, Ruskell is not magically responsible for everything bad that happens to this team. You can't give a player or coach credit when they're good, but when they stink you take it up to the next level. The fact is, the players on this team, the coaches on this team, all the moving pieces of this team are not operating well.
So, here's a short list of questions. I'm asking for you to continue the list, rather than answer the questions. We know there are a lot of questions, and we know that everyone has an opinion on it, but lets worry about that later. Here are some things bouncing around in my head after another shellacking.
- How short is Jim Mora's leash? We've heard nothing but positive things about him, but inheriting a team he knew very well with coaches he knew well, Mora has led a talented team to a 2-5 record. The inspiring motivated speaker act is wearing thin. Ultimately, Holmgren infuriated many of us, but he did one thing we were always okay with: win.
- How much is left in Matt's tank? And, really, will we be the team he hits E with? It seems unlikely that the Seahawks won't end up drafting a quarterback in the first three picks next year, but whether it's their top pick or the second rounder remains to be seen.
- Will Greg Knapp every work again? Knapp's play-calling and his general approach to the game appears to have been figured out around 2001. He seems to largely ignore his personnel. It's one thing to suck with JaMarcus Russell but to suck with Hasselbeck with four talented WRs is a different thing altogether.
- Who can we trade in the offseason? We have a lot of very talented players making a lot of very large paychecks. The cap implications aren't a huge concern, but the fact that all those incredible talents can't put together a 4-quarter game is. It looks like we need to start rebuilding, at least on offense, and to do that we're going to need more draft picks, especially a third rounder (which we traded away last year).
- Where will Tim Ruskell be in 2010? I still think it will be Seattle, but as the system he has built collapses -- regardless of the reasons for the collapse -- it may be time to look elsewhere. Mike Shanahan, Bill Cowher, Joe Gibbs, and of course, Mike Holmgren, all will be looking for a Bill Parcells-like deal at the end of this season, if the head coach jobs aren't all they would want them to be.

written by WiiHawk, November 01, 2009
written by T.J., November 01, 2009
written by Shmolzer, November 01, 2009
Knapp needs to go: I like our offensive personal this year, but Knapp does ignore the talent on this team in order to run "His Offense" What do great coaches do? They adjust to the talent on the roster, Not force the Roster to adjust to his scheme. Take some shots down the field to....Dont run the ball with 30 seconds on the clock before the half. Great your players excited....Quit being so conservative..
Ruskell needs to go!: We need some excitment on this team....A GAMBELER. Take some chances on drafting people with amazing talent, but just because they've had some problems before Ruskell wont draft them...People can change, make some trades if needed. If seattle really wanted to pick up some o-line talent this last offseason they could have..but they didn't have the urgency...This is really getting old not drafting small school players with talent or people with "dings" on there record.
We NEED to draft a top QB and Linemen this draft: its a must! We need to pick up one of these great Qbs in the draft this year..we need offensive line depth.
I love this franchise, but this "Playing it safe" or being "Conservative" isn't working at all anymore...
written by kurtthekraut, November 01, 2009
written by kurtthekraut, November 01, 2009
written by csungrad, November 01, 2009
2. Even as bad as we are, in today's NFL, you can rebuild within a year. At which positions do we plug in rookies and kids and try to gel those players with veterans?
3. Are we 2 or 3 players away, or 6 or 7 players away?
4. When will see the Hawks wear those awesome silver throwback helmets?
5. Maybe its the glue, but can we win the division at 8-8?
Have a great night, 12th Man. Let's get after it next week!!
written by SocalHawk, November 01, 2009
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written by kidder95, November 01, 2009
Defense. They would find room for Curry. Maybe a healthy Trufant.
And that is it. Dallas is the third best team in the NFC East. And we have two starters that "might" start for them.
Wow.
written by kidder95, November 01, 2009
1) Seattle's all time quarterback
2) The best OG to ever play
3) The league MVP in 2005 at RB
4) The best cornerback on the team today
5) The starting left tackle (if he weren't injured)
6) Signed the best OC we've had
7) Built a top 5 rushing attack
Built a top 10 rushing attack 9) Dallas' starting FS
10) Won Seattle's first playoff game in 21 years
Holmgren changed culture. He created what you expect today. He suffered from not blowing the whole damn thing up in the first year.
I would gladly take a misses (ala Spencer, Jennings et al) with a few HOF picks over safe and mediocre.
Those who bash Holmgren do not know their history.
written by kurtthekraut, November 01, 2009
written by Sir Ewald Romstein, November 01, 2009
written by jeff bernard, November 01, 2009
written by CWEH, November 01, 2009
I said it back then and I will say it again: Holmgren should have not left. I hope to god, that he returns as GM.
written by FancyPants, November 01, 2009
Also - if you don't have Monte Kiffin or Tony Dungy on your team, don't try and run the Tampa 2. You're just wasting your time.
written by kidder95, November 01, 2009
Yeah, Holmgren as GM sucks [sarcasm].
written by LouieLouie, November 01, 2009
Bill Cower was the coach of the Stealers (remember the '05 Super Bowl) for a very long time. I remember seeing the Hawks beat those Steelers a few times when he was coach. But the Steelers also got to dance in the big ballet a few times. They even got big gaudy ring (in '05). But that was after more than a decade of being the head coach.
If Timmy and Jimmy both go down the road soon, the Hawks will begin to follow the Detroit Lion model of wins and losses.
Think of all those high draft picks we could have for the next decade.
written by omarlittle, November 01, 2009
While I wish we would have drafted a OL somewhere in the top 2 rounds in the past 2 seasons reaching does not make sense. Teams draft for value not need most of the time, this is common practice. This is why Curry is a seahawk.
Also I don't see how any one can fault Ruskell for the offensive line depth. How many teams can loose a center, both starting guards, and 3 offensive tackles one of which is the best OL in the history of the sport and hope to compete? How is lack of depth his fault when a shit storm of that magnitude hits? I fail to see why the all the blame lands on him.
written by TheRealist, November 01, 2009
2. Why won't Tim Ruskell consider athletic talents from small schools (like Miles Austin and Marques Colston)?
3. Why didn't we re-sign the best back on the roster last year (Leonard Weaver - try and tell me anyone on the Hawks currently is better)?
4. Is there any chance Mora will get fired after one year, along with his bad staff?
5. Why does Tim Ruskell's ultra expensive defense loaded with first rounders suck so much?
written by Farmer Paul, November 01, 2009
written by hawksnest116, November 01, 2009
written by kidder95, November 01, 2009
If the Hawks draft Taylor Mays, we know Ruskell is still leading this ragtag bunch.
written by MonroeCoug, November 01, 2009
2) How many more games before TJ Housh has a "major" meltdown?
3) Will C. Redding actually show up in the stat sheet?
4) Will the Hawks make it through one game without getting someone else hurt?
5) Should the Hawks starting scouting the local Bingo parlors for someone to replace Knapp?
written by BMOC, November 01, 2009
Question #2 Why can't the defense get off the field on 3rd Down? This defense is supposed to be the identity of this team and keep it in games. The Seahawks D does not do that (sadly, I saw the 49er's D hold the Colts to 18 points on the road, thus keeping them in the game).
Question #3- Is Tim Ruskell one of the top 7 GMs as John Clayton says? The current product on the field does not say so, however, even good GMs go through bad seasons. Ruskell always seems to win the off season super bowl via free agent signings and draft picks, right now they aren't translating into wins.
written by kidder95, November 01, 2009
B) Collin Cole: Get's blown off the line very consistently. Has great accountability
C) John Carlson: Broke all Seattle TE receiving records in 2008. Has fallen off the map in 2009, including a pass off the helmet.
D) Cory Redding: Had a sack on his first play as a Seahawk. Has not had one since.
E) Deon Grant: SS to one the leagues worst pass defenses
F) Kelly Jennings: Slim... nough said
G) Julius Jones: We will never know behind this line
H) Spencer: Nice stunt pickup today... twice
I) Brian Russell: jesus
J) Patrick Kerney: Great player who got old fast
K) Josh Wilson: Small, yet able corner
L) Deon Grant: where art thou
No matter who GM's next year, suffice it to say that we have a sample of Ruskell picks large enough for us to say that he had not drafted or traded for one HOF, let alone ring of honor person. Tatupu may get there, but he'll need to be healthy to do so.
I personally loved watching Oher blow open holes for Ray Rice today, as well as Sanchez leading a failed comeback against Miami.
Hawthorne outplayed Curry today. Go figure.
written by kurtthekraut, November 01, 2009
written by Riggle, November 01, 2009
I could not agree more. I can only point to coaching as the major reason for these losses. Despite the injuries, this team has talent. They have more talent than Denver, that's for sure.
Comparing records, we are in the same category as Oakland, Buffalo and Washington D.C.. We are fourth worst in the division, just ahead of Detroit.
Man, that's depressing!
written by 8, November 01, 2009
written by Hawkdude, November 01, 2009
I thought the reffing was suspect again. Tru's fowls were not warranted. We would've held them if those calls did not go against us. It may have been a different game otherwise.
I'm calling out the players for excellence in execution. I credit Solari, Knapp, and Bradley for showing all the passion and interest in the world to win. Am sick of Mora's raw raw.... he is the one guy that I question.
written by Farmer Paul, November 01, 2009
Nate Burleson: is looking like he is the go to guy. If this stays consistent then he will probably have 80 receptions, 1100 yards, and 8 TD's. Again if Matt stays healthy.
Jordan Babineaux: is in the running for top tackler by #'s. He's on pace for a 100 tackle season. He possibly could end up with 3 interceptions.
David Hawthorne: is going to be my candidate for Seahawks Defensive player of the Year. The guy is amazing! I believe he could take Lofa's spot. Even though Lofa has skills and the paycheck, it all comes down to who is the best player. I truly believe that Hawthorne will be in the running for a 100 tackle season and could possibly have double digit sacks.
Aaron Curry: with all the Curry bashing that has been of late, which too me is too early and immature, I believe he will have solid #'s for his rookie season. I believe that he could be in the 90's for tackles and possibly, if he steps it up in the 2nd half of the season, could be in the running for a 100 tackle season. He could possibly end up with 6-7 sacks and 5 forced fumbles. Give this kid a break, he is learning from a brand new NFL DC. Gus Bradley has never been a DC before. They are both learning their jobs.
Max Unger: is legit! He is going to be a future Pro Bowler. I actually would like to see him eventually as our starting center but he looks great where he is at. He isn't perfect yet but he has solidified the RG position.
Jon Ryan: even though he is a punter, he is a damn good one! He is averaging 48.3 yards a punt and is on his way of having a 4000 yard season with possibly hitting the 50 yard average.
Anyway, it is a bright spot on a dismal season
written by Angry MAn, November 01, 2009
Oh and FUCK starbucks! I miss the Sonics! Whats happening to this town!!!!! Go sounders?
written by Angry MAn, November 01, 2009
written by kelphelper, November 02, 2009
1. the refs were horrible. enough said.
2. knapp tried some new things. they just didn't really work.
3. defense missed several good opportunities for a turnover.
4. what's with punting on 4th-and-1 late in the third? you need less than A YARD. i believe we were in dallas territory, and down by 18. your chances of converting it are better than your chances of stopping them on defense. instead, you punt and they return for a touchdown. game over. stupid.
5. i hate the refs and the cowboys almost equally now.
6. housh is now my least favorite seahawk this decade. i've never rooted for a seahawk to get injured before. congratulations.
written by what, November 02, 2009
We all know our o-line needs improvement, but statisticaly our o-line is in the middle of the pack in both run blocking and pass protection(nfl.com).
Mora, the press and alot of fans (including myself) have placed the blame on the o-line. Of course their not great, their just average. But, both the Steelers and the Cardinals managed to get to the Superbowl last year with o-lines that were statistically below average. Good coaches find a way!
written by Mike Wood, November 02, 2009
written by what the, November 02, 2009
West Coast offense, How many teams in the league even run a west coast offense anymore? Not many because all the coaches who know it well are standing in the unemployment line. Why? Because, defensive cordinators have learned how to stop it. This is not the 1980's Nfl anymore. Rules have changed the game,and the great teams have addapted. The scemes we run in Seattle keep us at a disadvatage and the only reason Holmgren was able to have some success with the west coast offense is because he had mastered it like no one else, but that still wasn't enough to win a superbowl.
Until our Management wakes the f@#$ up! We can over pay the leagues best free agents and bring them here to Seattle to die in our old worn out scemes that will never win a Superbowl.
written by elgranderojo, November 02, 2009
written by Cysco, November 02, 2009
Hasselbeck - Matt's got another 2-3 seasons of top-tier play left in the tank. IF something is done to fix the offensive line. I honestly believe if you took Has and put him in as the starter on any of the top teams in the league, he'd have similar numbers to those elite QBs. Has is 1 year older than Peyton Manning and 5 years younger than Kurt Warner. If he is kept on his feet, he can be a stud QB. Because of this, I wouldn't be so eager to draft a QB this year. Focus on the offensive line because you already have a really good QB. That said, I would definitely be calling Philadelphia and seeing if there's any way we could get Kevin Kolb from them without giving up one of our top-three picks. I think that kid could be really good.
Knapp - HAS TO GO! Give me Gus Malzahn or Chip Kelly. The NFL has changed. It's harder to compete with the same stale offensive scheme from 10 years ago. You need an offensive coordinator that can be surprising and innovative. Give me Malzahn before someone else grabs him. (for those not familiar with him, look him up. He's a offensive genius.)
Trade - At no fault of our own, we find ourselves with a surplus of AAA linebacker talent. I think we can part with one of the three and still be set. Goodbye Hill. (see Kevin Kolb reference above?)
Ruskell - I say keep him, only because I don't know of a better alternative out there. Has he hit on every decision? No. But no GM does. He's made some solid picks and some not so solid ones. I believe the problems with this team are more about scheme and coaching than players. As many have pointed out, on paper, we have talent. (that said, going into this season with no good solution at left guard is nearly a firable offense)
The Plan - It's not rocket science. On offensive, you need to keep your QB from getting sacked. Do everything in your power this offseason to build a good offensive line. Bring in a exciting offensive coordinator and take advantage of Hasselbeck's last good years. On defensive, you need to put pressure on the QB. I don't care how good your secondary is. If you give the other QB all the time in the world, they'll eventually find someone open. This means you either have to change the defensive scheme to be more attacking or you need to get more athletic at defensive line. (likely some combo of both)
Go Hawks!
Cysco
written by omarlittle, November 02, 2009
Oh, and I'm pretty sure that Cincy runs a 4-3 and Baltimore runs a 4-3 almost as much as they do the 3-4.
written by Papahawk, November 02, 2009
Who will they be?
I think we are learning that Hawthorn is a player. We are also seeing Babineaux develop into a starting safety.
The line is getting better. They need to continue to improve.
Hass has faith in Burleson and nobody else. This is obvious.
The Tampa 2 was figured out a while back. we are getting into the game on that too late. The 3-4 is in vogue now. What is next. The Hawks need to get to that next stop soon.
Remember 2002? Hopefully this year becomes that. The Hawks finished strong and that momentum was fun to be a part of. That became the Hawks we knew and loved.
written by Steve S., November 02, 2009
1. Injuries and lack of depth on the o-line. I know it sounds like excuse-making, but the injuries on the line have been devastating. Compounding this are Sims and Spencer never quite performing up to promise, a questionable decision or two by Ruskell, and there you are. Fashionable as it might be to get mad at the coaching staff for the line's poor play, it's just a fact that no coach in the world can turn hacks, castoffs, and rookies into a cohesive line. So this one's on Ruskell and the gods of Fate. I'd put it about 70% bad luck and 30% Ruskell.
2. Defensive players. It's really quite astonishing the dropoff in play by the defense in road games, and this is a problem that goes back to the Holmgren era. Since there have been multiple coaches making multiple efforts to get their lazy asses out of the hotel bar and onto the field, and the problem never improves, the only conclusion is that it's a systemic problem with the players themselves. So all your big heroes out there -- Tatupu, Mebane, Kerney, Tapp, Hill, Trufant, and in the last 24 hours Hawthorne -- well, I hate to break it to you all but they just aren't as good as you think they are. As a group they are quick and emotional but lacking whatever mental characteristics are necessary to perform consistently on the road.
3. Coaching, but perhaps not in the areas you are thinking. I'm specifically thinking about the special teams, which this staff frankly doesn't seem to take seriously at all. The coverage units take horrible lanes, and there isn't anybody who seems like a special teams specialist to "lead" the unit. The players I see out there sometimes seem like they're chosen at random. This is a problem mostly with the coaches, who think it is more important to have 592 defensive linemen for the rotation than a player of the type I just mentioned.
4. Lack of a running game. Beyond the obvious problems on the line the backs don't inspire any fear in opponents. This started with a bit of bad luck -- Alexander is MVP one year and then nagging injuries turn him into a complete nobody the next -- and has been compounded by Ruskell's bizarre personnel decisions since.
5. Burleson. This guy is about as consistent as lumpy gravy, and the team is relying on him too much. Last year they thought they could get away with no-names backing up Burleson and the perpetually injured veterans. This year he seems to be the favorite target, even though finishing plays is only about a 50-50 proposition with him. Burleson should be a third WR and occasional special teamer, not an offense's primary threat.
Things I DON'T think are problems:
1. Hasselbeck. He played about as well as he ever has yesterday, I gave up counting the jailbreak pass rushes and Burleson drops after I ran out of fingers and toes.
2. Knapp. There simply is nothing an o-coordinator can do with blockers who can't block, and half his play calls are necessitated by the need to account for the oncoming pass rush.
3.
written by Largent Rules!, November 02, 2009
Week 9
Hawks beat Lions (Hawks 3-5)
Bears beat Cards (Cards 4-4)
Titans beat 49ers (9ers 3-5)
Week 10
Hawks beat Cards (Cards 4-5)
Bears beat 9ers (9ers 4-5)
Who needs a good team when you have the luxury of being in the NFL's worst division, how do you think we made it to a Superbowl...lol!
Seriously, 7-9 could win the NFC West this season.
written by Sean Murphy, November 02, 2009
written by Papahawk, November 02, 2009
That is the accountability that Mora is speaking of. Accountability to one another. I have played on teams like this, it is the best kind of accountability. Even the players who aren't strong can be great teammates this way.
written by 12, November 02, 2009
written by henry dribble, November 02, 2009
written by Billy Showbiz, November 02, 2009
written by imissholmgren, November 02, 2009
wheres the rushing attack?- the non existent one, julius jones is actually a decent back and griffith is a great blocker but the oline is still not getting the zone blocking schemes its obvious.
winning on the road?- not only do we never win on the road we just get our ass kicked. it doesnt matter if we fly more then any other team we got to be better on the road. its not like they get off a plane at noon to play at 1, be ready!!
why are we so soft on defense?- the rookie aaron curry looks like hes the only one that tries alot of the times. theres no way sam hurd should of scored on his catch, just pathetic tackling, and why cant we stop people on third down? damn
i got the answers to these questions and its all the same. JIM MORA JR. GREG KNAPP AND TIM RUSKELL. lets remember michael vick took mora knapp and ruskell to an nfc championship game back in 2004 it wasnt these 3 guys who took over a team dan reeves built. so yes after a 2-5 start im calling for these guys to go. ive seen enough. there is a perfect guy for the job to take over all 3 jobs of theres and that is Mike Shanahan.
Shanahan is an offensive genius, hes won 2 superbowls, he makes any runningback good if you want to learn the zone blocking scheme you learn from him. yeah he had elway and terrell davis for his titles but he was still putting up winning seasons with the scrubs like brian griese, chris miller, gus frerote, steve beurlien, and danny kanell at qb and jake plummer took them to an afc championship game. shanahan has a career record of 55-57 on the road which is a pretty good record. we need someone like shanahan in here to get the most out of his players. we have hass, trufant, tatupu, kerney, housh, walt, multiple probowlers and other guys who have had success in this league and were 2-5 playing in the nfc west were a joke right now, if mike smith and tony sparano can turn around the falcons and dolphins with less expierience then why cant mora, because some guys have it and some dont and mora doesnt.
ATTENTION PAUL ALLEN GO GET SHANAHAN BEFORE THE COWBOYS OR REDSKINS DO.
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