PFW: Ruskell Won't Return

Fair or unfair I think it is the right decision. A change needs to be made. I for one am pulling for the guy out of Pittsburgh. Don't recall his name but they always draft well and never really are players in FA. I would like to see what he can do with a team that will spend in FA as well.

Wow knock me over wjth a feather, what a shocker. X mas come early hawk fans.Welcome back Holgren and you all know this will be the hire Allen will make, one things for sure no more suck ups or making excusses for this lame a$$ by a certain poster not naming anyone. GO HAWKS Great news to start the week off.

I say give Ruskell until the end of Mora's contract to prove that was the right decision. I'm not saying it is...

If he goes, I say David Gettleman.

Mike is really enjoying his time off and would be soundly missed around the house. And If I remember correctly his player evaluation and drafting is not so good. Seahawk fans should hope for someone who doesn't get emotionally invested in his players. I'm tired of fighting for his adoration. Please just leave us alone.

Kathy Holmgren

I would like to see someone from the Colts', Giants' or Ravens' organizations as GM. They always seem to acquire top notch players. They are consistently having good years. (Of course who wouldn't with Peyton Manning.)

Coach? That's a tough one. There's is no one who excites me. Maybe Leslie Frazier from Minnesota?

Thank you Paul Allen! Now we can finally move forward with rebuilding our Hawks. Nice try Timmay, now go away.

If true, I think this is the right move. The article doesn't say that Holmgren will move into the GM job, it just says that it will open the door. What we all need to remember is the NFL is a big network and there are a lot of front office people who are good at what they do, but are relatively unknown to outsiders like us.

I am confident that there will be an extensive search and that the best person will be hired. If that turns out to be Holmgren, I'll be fine with that. Once upon a time Bill Belicick was considered a failure, given a second chance, and was able to redeem himself his second go-around. If the only choices are TR or MH, I'll take MH, despite his earlier mistakes. I believe that he is still one of the best minds in football and believe that he has had time to reflect on his past GM mistakes. I also think that if he can be a full-time GM, with no coaching demands, he will do better. It doesn't hurt that he learned from Bill Walsh and Ron Wolf. If someone else is given the job, I will be confident that Paul Allen and his advisors have done their due diligence and will hire the best person for the job - maybe it will be someone that Paul Allen is able to pry away from a perennial contender with an offer he can't refuse.

One thing for certain, if TR is gone, I will feel better about having multiple first round picks during a draft when the offensive side of the ball has so many needs. The thought of TR drafting a QB-of-the-future or offensive lineman scares the crap out of me.

Mike Sando wrote an article on Holmgren and Ruskell recently and I appreciated his grading on the two. It looked that Ruskell was the better GM at drafting, but Holmgren won the GM at free agency, contracts, and salary cap space. Also Sando had Holmgren as the better overall GM, not by much though but the grade was higher, LOL! Anyway, my thoughts are there is probably no one out there that is better than Ruskell at the time being. If there is, do we risk having someone come in like Ruskell did with a motive to change the entire team to his liking. Holmgren wouldn't do anything, but build on what he has already in place. Mike is still living and loving Seattle. It just makes sense for PR sake. He already knows 90% of the players. He would definitely allow Mora to continue coaching, but Mora's staff would probably be dismantled to Holmgren's liking. And possibly, we just might get totally surprised at Holmgren giving Mora and staff the boot and starting completely over from scratch. I do not see Holmgren doing that with Jim Mora. I actually feel that Mike can teach Mora a few things and maybe senior and junior can turn our beloved team into something really special. If Mike was to hire a new O.C. for the Seahawks, Jon Gruden would be on my Christmas list. Mike Holmgren hired Jon Gruden as a quality control coach during the 49er years. When Mike went onto Green Bay he took Gruden along with and made him a WR's coach. Then in 1998 Andy Reid(another ex-Holmgren assistant) hired Jon to be the OC for the Philadelphia Eagles. I like Gruden's attitude and discipline. Hasselbeck, and the rest of the offense needs a taste of Jon Gruden. Jim Mora needs a taste of Jon Gruden, LOL! and possibly if Mora doesn't pan out then Gruden can step right in with Holmgren at the controls. Now, some of you may not like this idea and some of you might like it. Ex-Bills Head Coach Dick Jauron was DC master mind for the Expansion team Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jaguars made the playoffs in three of Jauron's four seasons with the team, including an appearance in the 1996 AFC Championship Game. He served as the DB's coach under Mike Holmgren at Green Bay before the Jags job. I believe Dick Jauron needs a breath of fresh air from a head coaching position and needs to get back to his roots. Seahawks DC possibly? Well, it's just a few names flying out there. Who knows what will happen!

The man who couldn't nail a first round pick to save his life will finally be leaving my favorite team. It is the right time for this move. Why leave what is perhaps the most important draft in team history to a guy who has proven to be a mediocre-at-best drafter?

I dont know if holmgren is the guy or not, but I'd like to see who some good candidates would be from the top tier teams around the league, like the Colts, Steelers and Pats.

So does this mean that Ruskell will be in charge of the upcoming draft or will it be the new guy?

I'd rather have Ruskell and his guys handle this draft since hes been scouting these players for YEARS. I don't think Ruskell is just going to turn over all his notes to his replacment.

Remember Ruskell's first draft where he only had a month or two to prepare? Thank God for Spencer, Tatupu and Hill because everyone else in that draft class is out of the league.

Welcome back Holmy!!!

IDK if its fair to judge a GM on first round picks. Look at the Raiders, their busts this decade were universally regarded as great players. Any team in the league would have grabbed Gallery, Russell, McFadden or Huff if they were drafting in the top 10.

I think the right way to judge a GM is to look at the 2-7 round picks, where GMs don't buy into the hype of a player and you can really assess that GMs skill. I mean anyone with half a brain can name what players will go in the top 10 it gets harder later in the draft.

Omar Little - So you would feel OK with a guy who was just let go by a team drafting for that team's future? Wow. If he is a spiteful man, he could sure do a lot of damage to the Hawks' future in your scenario. "Hmmm....maybe I'll use this 1st round pick on a punter....that will show these SOBs." You don't see a conflict of interest there? If the report is true, he will be shown the door as soon as the week 17 game ends (if not before) and the locks to VMAC will be changed behind him. I want those picks to be made by someone who's ass is on the line.

Hey its a legit question dude, no need to get so condesending.

Why are people saying that holmy is such a bad GM? Look at his track record.

Holmgren built the core of the dominant super bowl team of 2005 by drafting RB Shaun Alexander (00), WR Darryl Jackson (00), LG Steve Hutchinson (01), DT Rocky Bernard (02), TE Jeremy Stevens (02) and CB Ken Lucas (01), among other great draft selections.

Holmgren gave up the Seahawks first round pick (10th overall) and a third round pick to Green Bay in exchange for the Packers first round pick (17th overall) and QB Matt Hasselbeck.

And that isn't including his free agent aquisitions. This is a no brainer!

A team of Holmy and Gruden would work well for me.

Should hire some one asap, so they have time for the 2010 football year, (not that football ever ends in my mind, 12 months a year)

yeah i got to say i think its time for a change. at the same time i am a little sad. at times i could see where ruskell was going with some of the moves he made. and they seemed like smart moves. but the branch move and of course hutch. and his lack of ability to strengthen the front lines of the offense and defense. is what got him. if in fact the rumors are true.

Nothing is for sure that TR is gone. My hope is that Paul Allen has a plan and is not simply firing someone for the sake of it. If he was so inclined to do that, he should've fired him last year when MH retired and allowed a new guy to pick his own HC. Instead, he let TR stick around, annointing Mora as the HC - huge mistake. Mora is not an NFL HC.

Though I do want to see changes, I doubt that TR is gone. I think we have to deal with him and Mora for at least another year.

Not to spoil anyone's day, but this article is not conclusive.

did x-mas come early? someone pinch me please and this better not be a "April's Fool" joke!


P.S - My condolence to the family of the 4 fallen hero's in Lakewood! I hope the bastared gets the death penalty!

I believe in reverse Karma.

Mora can be a good coach with a someone like holmgren watching looking over his shoulder. Being a HC is more than just play calling it is motivating players, and Mora can be a good motivator. Holmgren was/is one of the best motivators ever. We just need to change up the offensive coordinator, and reevaluate Gus Bradley. I really hope Zorn comes back as OC, he got put in a bad situation in Washington. Gruden is looking to be a HC not an OC.

I was only able to see the headline since I do not subscribe but on the pay section of the espn.com Chris Mortenson is reporting a rumor that Seattle is not the top destination for Holmgren, that other teams are of more interest to Holmy.

So, if Holmgren is not interested then curious as to who will end up being our GM if these Ruskell rumors are true. Who is out there?? Another total rookie GM? I don't know if we can handle another rookie..granted we do not have a Hutch type transaction if the offing this off season but trusting a very important draft to a total rook would be risky.

NOthing has happened yet. It doesnt sound like ALlen, giving Ruskell notice this early in the year.

And yes, I would love to have Holmgren back. His mistakes were drafting a couple thugs (Stevens,etc), reaching, and penny-pinching Philip Daniels/Sam Adams, and dumping quiet Jay Bellamy. Its pretty obvious he wont repeat those mistakes, and he seems much more able to admit fualt and change course now.

Holmy the GM wasnt great, but he wasnt terrible. As for his supposed failure to draft defense, he drafted a couple CB's who were far better than anyone Ruskell brought in--Lucas and Trufant. Both were Pro Bowlers. He also drafted Tubbs, whose knee injuries werent forseeable. Tubbs was the most dominant run stuffer in the NFL for a year and a half, and wasnt bad at rushing the passer either.

Holmgren was pretty good in free agency too. Overall, I think he was at least Ruskells equal. Especially conidering the results: Ruskells teams havent done as well, and winning is everything.

To be honest, I have mixed feelings. I certainly wont be cheering Ruskells departure, I really wanted him to succeed here. But enough is enough, and its time. Before we drop off the NFL map altogether.

And if anyone suggests we hire that idiot Cowturd one more time, I swear Im gonna puke! 1) He wasnt that good a coach 2) His own players were glad when he retired 3) His brand of football would require a complete teardown of this team 4) Super Bowl 40--remember?! Dude KNEW the refs would slant the game his way, and he accepted that. The man is no sportsman, and I hate him. Never in Seattle!

Iv been suprised not to here anything about this. He has done a great job with stanford, he comes from a great coaching family. Maybe he would go out of his to bring toby gerhart with him too...just a thought.

PLEASE PLEASE....No Bill Cowher or however you spell his dumb a$$ name. I hate that guy. From a PR standpoint it would be a horrible move. Many Hawkfans including myself would have a hard time swallowing that move after superbowl XL. There would be a mutiny!!

From a Hawks fan who really wants to win, Cowher would be my #1 choice. If you can't beat him then hire him! We were outcoached and outplayed in Super Bowl XL, the Steelers were the better team that season and would have won without the officiating controversery that we use as an excuse. The AFC had the best teams that year and Pittsburgh beat them on the road to get there. The NFC and our division was very weak in 2005 and we only had to play lame Washington and Carolina teams while enjoying the home field advantage to boot. We deserved to be there though and it was an honor to finally get there after all those years.

How about getting Charlie Weis as a replacement for Greg Knapp? With Holmgren as GM I think the coaching/front office staff would be awesome.

Holmgren's record as the GM in Seattle is terrible. There are far better talent evaluators out there. Please do not bring Holmgren back as GM or coach!

Here is a cut and paste of what I just posted on the Usenet group:

I haven't really thought about Ruskell and don't intend to until the
season is over, but I do have some things to say about replacing him
with Holmgren.
1. Holmgren is 61 years old and has already quit once due to burnout.
2. In his first try at GMing he showed no knack for choosing
defensive personnel.
3. Holmgren took his sweet time "rebuilding" the Seahawks the first
time around. He didn't even bring in his preferred quarterback until
year three. What I'm driving at is, like Ruskell Holmgren tried to
piecemeal his team together rather than "rebuild" it. How long will
it take to remake this team as Holmgren's, and will he survive another
round of burnout by the time that happens?

I like Holmgren and am grateful for all he did for the Seahawks, but
if it's time for a new direction at GM then maybe it's time for just
that, a NEW direction.

I would argue that there isn't nearly as much talent, especially on the defensive side, as we'd like to think.

Curry is of course talented but is only a rookie and is playing like one. Kerney and Grant used to be talented but their best days are behind them. Trufant is talented but has been terrible since coming off the PUP list. Hill, Tatupu, Hawthorne, and Mebane all have positive attributes but have always been quite overrated by Seahawks fans. The rest are run-of-the-mill to bad. In other words, while you might have been able to say the defense was talented two years ago, I don't see how that's the case now.

Holmgren as GM concerns me. I have no doubt in his ability to lead the organization with a football vision. However, you look at what Holmgren is best at- and I think these things would not help the team in its journey. Holmy is best at play calling and developing an offensive system around a QB. If he were the GM, and not the coach, he would not be calling plays and he would not be a QB coach/developer. He would oversee this, but that would lead to problems with meddling. We don't need that.

Undoubtedly, if Holmy came in as GM, he would end up becoming coach, a la Pat Riley. This could work out. But also, burnout would concern me. Mike is no longer a young man.

Whoever mentioned Leslie Frazier as a defensive "genious" and a good fit to be our HC. I'll only take that guy if he comes with the Williams Wall and Jared Allen. When you have that much talent on the d-line, its easy to look good as a coordinator.

Whoever is the GM needs to get the Hawks to be strong on both lines of scrimmage. The best teams have a strong presence on the line, both sides. The Hawks have some good young players there, but they are not great by any means.

My dream situation would have Holmgren as GM, Gruden as HC with Zorn as OC. Between the three they would get top notch coaches and would draft top talent. If Mora would like to stay, the Hawks are in desperate need of a good DB's coach.

These guys love to report things that have absolutely no basis. You wonder why the article did not cite a source or state what time zone they were posting in. This is a BS report that is based off of nothing substantial.

As for GM it's tough to say because I don't really know who is qualified for this job. Holmgren, Shanahan, Cowher, who else? These guys are coaches so I don't know if any of them is qualified to handle the business end of the team. As for evaluating talent, I think any of these guys would be good in a Parcells like role. If that is not possible Holmgren may just be the guy. If he were there I'd love to see Gruden come in as coach or OC. I don't trust Gruden on his own but under Holmgren as GM I think he'd be a great coach.

Look, let's quite with the whole Holmgren Gm, Gruden HC, OC (or anything) and Zorn as OC etc. There is no way this is even remotely likely by any shot. And bring in Cowher as DC? Really? Besides Zorn, these guys all have huge egos and bigger salaries. They would NOT work well together, they would not fill these roles and if by some miracle they did, we would have a higher coaching salary then half the team's in the league combined. And maybe we can get Billichek for ST's. Right.

Holmgren is not the answer. I love him, hope he does well wherever he goes but he is a big part of our struggles now. He was playing to win at the time regardless of our future (now). Refused to play or develop young talent and ignored the defense. I mean, his practices literally were offensive practices until they got it right and our defenses played like it.

In a gm you want somebody looking to the future and the present. Somebody willing and able to draft/find in free agency need and to develop for the future. Holmgren has ALWAYS brought in his guys. And that means, all the retreads will be getting priority over possibly more talented youth.

Anyone else appreciate how good Forsett is playing now? Would've been nice to seem him get any reps once the season was over last year but no, Holmgren used Morris and Duckett almost exclusively. Neither who is around, nor frankly, should be. Holmgren was insistent on trying to squeeze out any wins from his veterans, not for the fans, but for his own record and for his veterans to make their bonuses.

Holmgren needs to seriously rethink some of his strategies, because what worked so well for him, or reasonably well, (he only has one sb ring not the greatest coach ever as many people describe him as) has been largely neutralized.

I'm not even sure that Ruskell WILL be gone after this year. Possibly, but this is all unsubstantiated rumor at this point. Possibly, but I'd prefer him to stay or for them to get somebody new. BUT NOT HOLMGREN.

Love Ya Holmy, you were great for us and a huge figure in Seattle sports. You moved on and we need to as well. Good luck!

No to Holmgren, he had his chance and blew it. Get a young assistant to the Ravens, Chargers, or Colts and let him do his thing. These are the best drafting NFL teams of the past decade and we can use some of their expierence.

Sources: Seattle Seahawks Fire Tim Ruskell
Jesse Cahill by


According to Pro Football Weekly sources familiar with the situation have said Tim Ruskell will not be re-signed as Seattle Seahawks General Manager when his five-year contract runs out at seasons end.

Since inheriting a loaded roster in 2005 and spicing up the defense with then rookie LB's Lofa Tatupu, Leroy Hill, and Free Agents DE Bryce Fisher, CB Andre Dyson, and WR Joe Jurevicius, the Seahawks have been in a steady decline.

Ruskell has missed on many of his first-round picks: C Chris Spencer is a total bust, and seeing All-Pro G Logan Mankins plucked five picks after at No. 32 by the Patriots makes it sting even more.

Cornerback Kelly Jennings has been a total bust. Without the injury-riddled roster the Seahawks have endured, Jennings would have been nothing more then a dime back this season.

In four years the Seahawks have gotten an average of 36 tackles, eight pass deflections, and one total Interception from Jennings.

It hurts to see a guy like Marcus McNeil, an All Pro Tackle, grabbed all the way down at No. 50 by the Chargers. It's not like the need was not there for an offensive lineman, they chose to ignore the need, and we have seen the end result of that negligence with the team posting their two worst rushing outputs in franchise history. In fact since drafting Chris Spencer, the highest picked lineman in the draft has been fourth-rounder Ray Willis, currently a backup.

Third time's a charm, because in his third draft with the team Ruskell made one of the franchises worst moves in trading a first-round pick (later used on current starting Patriots S Brandon Meriweather) to acquire wide reciever Deion Branch.

This trade led to the departure of Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck's favorite target, WR Darrell Jackson. The Seahawks essentially traded their best WR at the time and a first round pick for now third WR Deion Branch and now reserve G Mansfield Wrotto.

They have also coughed up an average of $6.5 every season for Branch to average 40 catches, 509 yards, and four TD's a season, pathetic for the amount of money he is making.

Even the high-profile pick of Linebacker Aaron Curry, considered to be the draft's top prospect, has had a shaky start, averaging only five tackles a game even with his expanded role when both Leroy Hill and Lofa Tatupu were sidelined.

The trade of Julian Peterson to Detroit was awful, as Cory Redding has been a total bust even in a rotational role. He is sadly not even on pace to surpass his pathetic 2.3 career sack average. I get why the Seahawks traded Peterson, but couldn't they have gotten back something better?

Overall, since Ruskell inherited the team in 2005, the records have declined from 13-3, to 9-7, up to 10-6, then hitting rock bottom at 4-12, and currently sitting at 4-7.

Some will say you can't point the finger at Ruskell for the Seahawks horrible injury plague the last two seasons. Keep in mind he is the one who assembled the roster, so that makes him directly responsible, no matter what angle you try and take.

He is also the man responsible for running MVP Running Back Shaun Alexander out of town. People say he was washed up, but from what I remember he was superior to his eventual replacement Julius Jones in his last two years here playing with a broken foot.

Shaun Alexander 2006-2007

20 games 1,616 yards, 3.55 average, 12 TD's

Julius Jones 2008-2009

24 games 1,090 yards, 4.0 average, four TD's

And don't even get me started on Poison Pill Hutchinson. Not only did Ruskell botch that, but he has failed to draft an adequate replacement, and he signed a washed up Mike Wahle to try and cover his huge blunder. Since the Vikings pounced on the chance to sign football's best guard, the Seahawks have never been the same.

Bottom line, Ruskell made some good moves, grabbing Lofa Tatupu, Leroy Hill, Julian Peterson, Brandon Mebane, Josh Wilson, Patrick Kerney, but the roster he has assembled over his five years here has largely crumbled and failed.

Contrast this to Mike Holmgren, who laid the foundation for the 2005 Super Bowl team with key starters QB Matt Haselbeck, RB Shaun Alexander, G Steve Hutchinson, WR Darrell Jackson, C Robbie Tobeck, T Sean Locklear, S Ken Hamlin, DT Rocky Bernard, and DE Grant Wistrom. It is safe to say that Holmgren's moves turned out better in the end and that Ruskell has wrecked the loaded roster Mike Holmgren left him.

The news Ruskell is likely out as GM at season's end would not surprise many Seahawks fans, and the replacement already resides in Seattle and needs a job.

Make the transition seamless: fire Ruskell, hire Holmgren, and let's get back to perennial playoff status.

As you all know they dont call me Hawksmack for nothing.But I must say they are good and one is great.I have alot of respect for both men.I would love to have Holmgren back.Ruskell will be missed by the one's who knows how hard you worked.Thanks all you did.

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Then I hope that Holmgren returns. I thought that Timmy should have one or two more seasons. In two years it would be too late to get Holmy, because he'd be gainfully employed. I can't believe that Paulie boy would let Timmy boy go without something in place.

Timmy boy has concentrated on "D" for the last 5 years. Time to bring in the "O" genius. If Holmy isn't an offensive genius, his IQ is certainly way above average. I'm liking this more and more.

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