Has The Team Quit On Mora?

But they're a bad football team. This is a head coach and qb league and unfortunately our hc and qb are near worst in the L

No they are not. This team is just terrible. We are in a rebuilding phase and a lot of players need to go now.

I really don't know what it will take to get rid of Mora.. It really blows my mind that Mora sticking around is even an option!! Are we really trying to find a GM who will stick with Mora??? What kind of bullshit is that.. He is not an NFL caliber coach, and I really have to question anyone who can honestly say that he should get another season. FUCK JIM MORA!!!!!!!!

I do believe that how this season is ending will cost Mora his job. The new GM will not be required to keep him.

In the Hawks defense, Tampa Bay did just beat a Saints team that was trying to nail down home field advantage for the NFC title game. Talk about two teams heading in opposite directions.

Yes, the team is done for the season. I wouldn't be surprised if they are already packing up for the off-season, planning vacations, and in their minds saying later to Jim Mora. It's rumored that Tampa Bay is going after Bill Cowher. We need to be going after him now before Tampa gets him.

He hasn't responded well to this crisis. He does not inspire his team, as measured by their play. In fact, the more the team plays for him, the worse they play. His staff selection was questionable. His game planning is clearly poor.

He seems like a nice guy. Is that reason to keep him?

I'm OK with starting out new. Mora is not a superstar coach. Let's find one.

YES. They have definitely quit on him. All those empty cliches have caught up to him.

Dear Paul,
I would like to start off with saying that I have been a seahawk fan for over twenty years which is one of the only things I can truly say I have done for twenty years. You have brought this team great hope during your ownership, however, as of late that hope has turned in to embarrassment. This team under Jim Mora is embarrassing!! He is unprofessional and does not take responsibility for his lack of coaching skills. I remember the day that Holmgren was announced as head coach and the excitement that all seahawk fans had for the seasons to come. That has gone away and I'm not saying that Holmgren was the answer but any retard can see that Mora is far from it. If for some reason you read this blog, please keep this in mind and fire Jim Mora!!

Thank you, SGTSEAHAWK

Any GM worth his weight will not agree to taking on a job that does not allow him to choose his own coach. If he does, he isn't worth the hire as his hands are basically tied behind his back before he starts. Adios Mora.

I just saw the post game show and I can't believe that nobody is calling out Mora. They hint at it, but no real statement.

They are calling out the talent of his team, but I don't think the team is THAT bad. They look un-inspired.

Mora is an embarassment to this franchise and this city. They way he handles business and publicly throws players under the bus is total bs. Hopefully he will be gone after this season and we can get a coach capable of properly leading a team and winning at this level. Not to blame it ALL on Mora though.... Plenty of our players need to be shown the door as well.

If we're going to rebuild we need to commit to it fully and handle the process the right way by leaving no room for error. We need a new staff, new players, new mentality. The only guys we NEED to keep are the young guys who are still realizing their potential and also the linebacking corp if they can get their act together.

As a die hard Seahawks Fan. I am in disbelief as to our current play. I can only point the blame at JM since he put together his coaching staff. there were plenty of good coordinators out there on the market and even some we could have even retained from Holmgren's tenure. instead he wanted a staff he wouldn't have any arguments with and he got what he was looking for! so did the rest of the team. a coaching staff that can not be effected on the field. how many of you watch week after week and can identify changes or adjustments that need to be made? (we aren't the paid professional's and we get it) i'm certain the player's get it and that's why they are playing with the lackluster performance on the field.

Yes I believe the Hawks have given up on Mora and hopefully if retained JM will find some worthy coordinators of the NFL level not the little college schools that only watch the NFL on occasion.

Bright side is we will have a top 10 pick since we didn't get it from Denver like we all thought going into the Season.

I really do hope they are. Mora is the worst HC in the league. Guy is beyond stupid and loves to blame his losses on everyone he can, of course not himself though.

If I were them, I would be

I was really trying to support Mora, but I'm done. I think Mora is gone. No quality GM will take this job and be bound by a coaching staff that has led this team down into this state of dispare. Time to clean house. On the same note, I think Hass has come to the end of his time here. He's got one year left on his contract, so maybe it's time to ship him out and get a 4th rounder or some sort of compensation for him. I'm just so depressed and for the first time, a little embarrassed to wear my Seahawk gear. I'll still wear it, but I'll be a bit embarrassed.

well Mr Paul Alen,

YOUR TOP MONEY PLAYERS ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE LEAGUE. Im sure that the entire coaching staff has a lifetime record below .500. The smartest thing I saw them do was actualy put unger at center instead of the left handed gypsee . And that took them two weeks. Ive seen it all for the last 25 years, and I have never been so embaressed. Can you imagine what forsett could do with a NFL line.Or How about hasselback. How much money are we blowing on recievers when he cant throw or go. Do you think uper management will draft another noterdame flop. Paul are you going to pay real money to fix this or is all of it tied up in the Blazers.

this team is not mora's team... it is a combination of older holmgren vets and under achieving draft picks... i would give him one more year with someone who can evaluate talent... with the condition greg knapp is replaced

I have one question why did we give up so much much and use a third round pick on Deon Butler.He is terrible and not a very good pick up.Here are a few players that were selected after Butler we could have drafted instead.Louis Murphy fourth round pick who plays for Oakland has 24 catches for 462 yards and 16.5 avg with four tds.Johnny Knox fifth round pick for Chicago has 45 catches for 527 yards and 5 td's and his qb may be worst than Hasselbeck this year.Or fourth round pick Austin Collie who plays for indy only has 53 receptions for 567 yards and 7 tds.Now we know why Russel quit.Holmgren probably didnt take the job because he wouldnt be able to fire Mora and it would have broke his heart to release or trade Hasselbeck.Please Paul Allen we need to hear you say something about this team.

The team hasn't quit on Mora. They are just this shitty. This is who they are under direction of Ruskell and leadership of Mora.

I keep hearing about the team wanting to keep Webster around, but I am not sure that learning under Ruskell is that much of an asset. I do believe Ruskell may have made some nice culture changes in the Hawks front office, but I am sure Liewicke can carry that over without Webster. This team needs a full overhaul, and I wouldn't cry if the coaching staff got overhauled in the process.

We have given Jim the full support and we are standing by it. Bill Belichick had a terrible 1st season with the Patriots and look where he is now.

-Paul

Wow it would sure seem so,...i cant remember seeing a worse display on the field. Im completely torn,...1 year is definitely not enough time to judge a HC, however, the way is team has gotten progressively worse as this season comes to a close,...I just dont know. I have tried to be a Mora supporter,...but i just dont think i can go that route any longer.

This staff is predictable and uninspiring, and I just don't see that changing. Holmgren turned this franchised around because they gave him the control to do it, and it doesn't look like the seahawks are willing to do that again. By the way, Paul Allen, Belicheck is a football genius. Jim Mora is not. He is a fair coach if he has the right players, but comparing him to Belicheck is absolute foolishness

If any player is quitting to send a message about coaching then that player needs to be gone. These guys are professional athletes and get paid lots to play. Effort should be a given. Most of the players are not especially smart and their opinion on front office issues, like Bill T.'s, doesnt really matter.

could u guys write a piece about the Bronco's draft pick and how with the loss to the Eagles, they no longer control their own destiny to make the playoffs.

AKA...if Ravens and Steelers both win (which they should), BRONCOS AINT MAKING THE PLAYOFFS AND AT WORST THEY WILL BE the 18th overall pick.

My point was not to compare Belichick and Mora in the way they coach.

My point was that you cannot determine a coach's potential just by the 1st season. Nobody thought of Belichick as a "football genius" after that 1st season did they? It was after his superbowl wins that he got that Genius label, but how would he ever have gotten there if he had been fird after his 1st year?

My point is everyone deserves the chance and with adequate players surrounding him, i think Mora can bring us to the promise land

my last comment was answering his comment if nobody saw that.

-Paul

Housh's poke in Mora's chest says it all.

I'm sure the offensive line players are not great Mora fans. I'd bet he lost them.

Everyone's just playing for their jobs and trying to not get hurt.

Why can't coaches devise scheme's that suit their talent and take less that two seasons to learn?

Whaddya mean they're still learning the system. Thats BS.

When TJ came to the sidelines putting his finger in Moras chest, it said it all...NO RESPECT FOR THE COACH...Could you imagine him doing that to Holmgren????? lol

Why, oh why everyone thinks picking in the top ten is a bright side? Raiders, Lions, and 49ers have been picking in the top ten for many, many years. Are they any good? Look you can pick a player in the second, fourth, or seventh round and turn him into a pro-bowler. All it takes is good coaching. Good coaching is what we don't have. For God sake, it is not about lack of talent on the team. Its all about coaching and bad play calling and bad scheme.

Vernon Davis was a bust in San Fran for many years. They got a good coach and he turned Vernon from bust to a pro-bowler. It is all about coaching, Folks.

Oh, I forgot to mention Curry. Didn't we picked him 4th overall? How is he doing? If I remember correctly, the kid got worse and worse. It is all about coaching.

I think they're a team that's been losing and no longer has faith in itself.

There's no playmaker on this team who can carry it when things are going wrong. And lots of things, big and little, have gone wrong this year. It's been snowballing since week one, and no one -- coach or player -- seems to be able to stop it.

The saddest thing about this year is how Seahawks fans seem to be taking a perverse delight in competing with each other to say the cruelest thing about the team. Even the postgame guys on TV are doing it ...

In retrospect, perhaps Knapper should have learned Holmgren's offense instead of making half the team learn his. Maby Mike can give him some pointers over the phone this off season.

*The Bad and the Ugly - too obvious.

*The Good- I noticed that Lock and a few of the O-Linemen began to scuffle in defense of Matt when it looked like one of the Packers was trying to bite Hass on the leg.

Give Mora credit where credit is due. The O-Line started to show some of that "dirtbagginess" the coach wants (in route to the 48-10 blowout).

Without being in the locker room and seeing the dynamic I can't be sure. I was pumped when Mora got the job being a home town guy with great enthusiasm and some measure of success in the league. He has been on coaching staffs with a lot of high quality coaches that have had a lot of success in the league. He also was able to learn from Mike Holmgren for a couple years and has his father's input and influence to pull from.

The things that bother me and make me wonder if he is part of the problem is that this team actually played better and more competitive football when they were learning a new system and had multiple injuries in the beginning of the year. The explanation of learning a new scheme isn't valid anymore. The other thing that bothers me (in hindsight) is the signing of TJ Houshmanzadeh which Mora greatly advocated. I didn't realize that he was a "me" player prior to his signing. I don't care how good of a receiver he is...having a personality like that in the locker room is bad news. Especially when the road gets rocky like it is now. Now he's mother f'ing Mora up and down the sideline.

I'm running out of excuses for Mora at this point. It will be interesting to see how everything pans out. At this point, I almost can't see a new GM being content with heading into next year with Mora on the sideline after the way this year is ending up.

I wouldn't stay up late if the 'Hawks fired Mora. On the other hand, there's such a dearth of talent on this team that it's hard to say that another coach would do any better. I mean, Mike Holmgren was 4-12 last year. On the other hand, they are absolutely lifeless. And they make mistakes -- like interceptions after a receiver falls down -- that seem to be the result of a lack of concentration. That kind of thing I'm comfortable laying at the feet of the coaching staff.

We have talent....its the staff. Period. With the talent we have, we should not be this bad. With the upcoming draft we should be able to create a winning formula. We just need some exceptional leadership. I hope to God they find someone who will turn it around!!! I'm not so sure that Mora is our guy!

I've been stating as much for weeks... of course they have.. the thought of Mora for another year is nauseating... as well as unfathomable.

I can't help wondering if Matt is on some level thinking: "If I press a little harder it will look like I'm still trying to win and when I make mistakes it will make the Seahawks more likely to let me go so I can finish my career working for Holmgren in my comfort zone and MUCH closer to home too." That must look more inviting than hanging around Seattle going through all the BS that will be coming down.

These guys are playing for there own future not the teams,They are worried about there self not the team or the coach's.They all know there will be some changes ,how could they not.There team chemistry is zero.

I agree that Hass would most likely be more confortable finishing out his career with Holmgren even as a backup/mentor than spend a couple more years in turmoil here. The Seahawks on the other hand are not going to be making any waves for a couple of years yet until they get this team straightened out. By then Hass wouldn't be of any use to them anyway.

I wrote about this just recently where I thought trading Hass to Cleveland made sense because they could use him and he would fit what's going to happen there. We're not going to be able to make use of his veteran talents anyway for the next year or two as we start rebuilding our team. We need to get our next QB identified and under center learning his craft.

If we can get anything useful for Hass, I suggest we get it now or forget about getting anything in return for him in the future. He probably still has some value particularly to MH but I doubt he will after another year.

Fair enough, Paul, I hope you're right. People wanted to pull the plug on Holmgren after a couple crappy seasons too, it's the football fan solution for everything. He deserves another shot. It just seems we have been so badly outcoached in some of these losses; failures to make halftime adjustments, etc. It makes it hard for any of us to have confidence in a bright future.

Has anyone in the media asked if Mora thinks the team has quit on him...?

I think it's pretty obvious they have.. For all the bad teams out there you can argue this is the WORST team in the NFL right now for that reason alone..

Mora may have said that things were on the line for this team after the Houston game and that should have included him cause it's obvious the Hawks are a mess and a thorough evaluation and cleaning of house are needed.. And it can start with Knapp and again his bonehead play-calling..

Of course they quit on Mora. I just can't understand how 3,000 miles away, sitting in my basement half-drunk, I can see adjustments needed on this team and Mora looks like a deer in the headlights. He makes that face like he went all-in against a full house with a pair of 2's.
The problem is, you can't polish a terd, and the o-line is downright shitty. That really cripples the offense. Teams are sitting on the short passes because they know Hass has no time. Hass is getting beat to hell, and is trying to make stuff happen. He's really not that bad, we all know that.
To me the problem is the defense. I know part of it is the fact that they're always on the field. They've been good stopping the run for the most part. I know the DB's are better than this, but they are getting torched every week. The only explanation that makes sense is scheme. There's no possible way that every DB is just worse this year.
Overall this team has a bunch of talent, but no leadership or quality coaching to speak of. They need a new leader and a new identity.

"Has anyone in the media asked if Mora thinks the team has quit on him...?"

I'm sure they have not. The sports press in Seattle is too nice. There are reasons why Mora is not in New York, Philadelphia, or Chicago. He would be eaten alive, and he knows it.

It would be nice if the press would ask some tough questions like:
"Specifically what changes have you made to stop this team's descent, what were their outcomes, and why did they fail?"

Do we need to go through them losing to the Titans next week? Or can we just skip to the off-season. I can't even take watching their score go across the ticker.

The team is not responding to Mora collectively, while at least a few have quit on him individually. Add to that the fact that the team is just not as talented as we'd all like to believe and you get what we saw today.

It's very hard for me to advocate firing a coach after one season, but at the same time I just can't think of a single redeeming factor for Mora.

I don't think trading Hasselbeck is a viable option. Who'd really want him besides Holmgren? And why would Holmy give anything up for him when his contract is due to expire next year? Hey, it never hurts to ask, but if the Hawks are serious about moving on they will need to bring someone in to play until Teel or whoever is ready, and that would signal Holmy to just wait for Hass' eventual release.

Letting that idiot Ruskell push Holmy out was the worst thing this franchise has done. It's going to take years to right this ship.

Almost every week Mora says the team is playing hard and effort isn't the problem. He said it today after the game. This is in response to questions from the press. Now either he's an idiot, he's lying through his teeth, or it's true. The guy has had some limited success in the NFL, he can't be so stupid that he can't see guys quitting right in front of him and on tape. It's obvious when you see it on tape.

There's no point in lying about it. Why would he? So it must be true. So the team in not quitting on him.

Now about the new GM keeping Mora. Leiweke will not make it a condition for the new GM without giving him a good reason. In other words, he will say to the prospective GM, "Here's why we think we should keep Mora for another year: A,B,C,D...etc" Either the prospective GM will say, "Hmm that makes sense, okay." Or he'll say, "No thanks, see ya!" He might even say, "Hey Todd, here's why that doesn't make sense..." and he'll talk himself into the job and Mora out.

The one thing Leiweke won't do is make the retention of Mora an unimpeachable option for the new GM unless he's an idiot, and by all accounts, he's not.

"Letting that idiot Ruskell push Holmy out was the worst thing this franchise has done. It's going to take years to right this ship"

You got that right! Paul Allen let Ruskell run this franchise like it was his own personal business pushing Holmgren out a year early and hiring all his friends i.e. Mora & Company. Ruskell probably viewed Holmey as a future threat to take his job.

By the time Leiweke who has other teams to tend to and this slow firm gets around to hiring a GM, Holmy and the rest of the NFL will have cherry picked all the best available candidates.

Yes the team has quit on the HC. Fox had a stat saying that the Hawks have only scored 10 points in the 1st Qtr all year!

That is an embarrassment. Knapp is an idiot, Mora is an idiot and along with Ruskell is turning this team into the laughingstock of the league.

Well what an embarassment,Yes Bill T I finnally agree with you on so,ething these gals have quit.All I can hope for now is that the Vulcans beam in someone who canbuild this up to a true NFL elite franchise and that it is some =one who knows the way to the ring and lombardi trophy. No more guys who have never been thier or guys who would be a chance. I do agree ho;my is already out of the gate and doing the work. We on the oter hand have shown what Seattle sports are again and 500 clubs with a beam of glitter every 10 years. As for all the Hasselbeck haters John Unitas or John Elway couldnt do shit with this paper thin O-Line and these pee wee recievers Ruskell surrounded him with. And as far as Mora being a defensive mind he can go fuck himself.I hope for Matts sake Holmy does come get him. for his health Maybe The boys will draft a 1rs round QB talent and we can ruin his career in 2 years.So break out the shopping bags and put away the gear its gonna be a whi;e hawk fans in my opinion so "suck on that" Happy new year.

I don't think we have to worry about boycotting this Sunday's game against the Titans. At this point I think most of us have seen enough. Go do something constructive like take your kids to the zoo, but if you want to continue to support these losers, that's up to you.

What irony that so many people in this thread are themselves trumpeting how they are quitting on the Seahawks meanwhile complaining about the Seahawks quitting.

I guess this is where the band wagon fans all get off. The die hard fans will still be here and if by some miracle they do good in the future the band wagon fans will be back. It sucks to fall as hard as we have, i don't blame anybody for jumping ship.

Yes there are going to bandwagon jumpers. There are others who are going to make an honest evaluation of the team.

At this current time the team sucks and it starts from the HC on down.

I cheer and root for the Hawks as I always have, but honestly this team is lacking leadership in the front office to the HC and on down to the team.

Seahawks implosion raises questions...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/28/seahawks-implosion-raises-questions/

I joked about trading Hass to the Brownies, but it actually doesn't make sense. It makes sense to keep him, and to let a QB of the future learn for a year from him.

Exibit A is the quarterback who tore us up Sunday morning. He's going to be tearing up defenses for years to come. I don't know if Teel is the future for us, but he does need to play. I hope he starts against the Titans. He sat for one year (minus one game), and I theink it's time for him to jump in.

There are a few veteran QB's out there. One guy to look at may be David Carr. He was a perfect example of what can happen when a rookie QB is thrown to the wolves with no O-Line to protect him. It damaged him physically and mentally, but now that he has been sitting behind Eli, he may be worth taking a risk on.

The organization needs to instill some sense of hope for the future by hiring a "name" in the Pres - GM position. Both the players and the fans need to feel encouraged going into next year. And if Mora Jr isn't cut loose, then, at the very least, Knapp and some of the others must go. We can't do this again next year and then completely start over again in 2011 when Mora Jr is fired... it's why I was hoping that a new GM would have been brought in sooner to witness this mess first hand.

5 round trip tickets for two phoenix to seattle 3000.00
2 round trip tickets to SF 500.00
1 road trip to san deigo 300.00
2 round trip tickets to dallas 550.00
hotels and food and car rental 2000.00
Game tickets to this debacle including AZ game where I live 1500.00
Carefol with band wagon calls ive done this team for 30 plus years.
THIS IS THE WORST IVE EVER SEEN......

"Greg Knapp has designed an offense that might literally disappear up its own a**hole." Doug Farrar, Football Outsiders, Audibles at the Line.

People who insist they're not bandwagoners but are only taking an honest look at the team aren't looking at the team honestly.

Their emotions are coloring their perceptions, and they're echoing whatever mean things they've heard said about Ruskell, Mora, Leiweke, Hasselbeck, Branch, etc.

The crowd is in an ugly mood and you can hear a lot of mean, nasty things from them. But recognize it for what it is: mostly uninformed griping and searching for a scapegoat.

One of Coach Mora's homilies is absolutely true: it's in adversity that people reveal their character.

I think the team doesn't want to play under the leadership of Mora. Mora was bad in Atlanta and he is stinking up the ship in Seattle.
I think it's time to look for a new QB, Hass has lost the edge, you can see it in his throws and his decisions to throw the ball up instead of sitting on it.
Never did i think after 25yrs of being a fan that i would see how bad we look.

Mora has to make changers but its now too late. The best change is for the new GM to can the stiffs and get people who know what they are doing.
God help us fans if we have to go through this in 2010

I'm pretty indifferent to keeping Mora. I'm willing to give a shot that the second year is better than the first (after all, how much worse could it get). Same for Knapp and the Defensive coaching staff.

Most teams struggle following a complete overhaul of a coaching staff because players don't fit the schemes and dead weight needs to be cut. Holmgren built a solid core of players, which are now older and having injury/production issues. Ruskell shored up the bottom/middle of the roster which helped propel us to the Superbowl. But we saw what happened with Holmgren the GM and we are witnessing what happens with Ruskell the GM. I just hope we find someone sort of inbetween those two for evaluating talent - less boom/bust of Holmgren and more "risk for talent" than Ruskell.

But it's clear we're rebuilding. Hasselbeck is good to keep through the end of his contract, but I don't think we'll be good enough to make a run at the Superbowl while he's still capable of playing at a high level. So we should draft a QB to groom next year and let him take over in 2012 (after the lost 2011 season due to the lockout).

Greg Knapp couldn't put an offensive game plan together that would beat a High School football team.

Never did i think after 25yrs of being a fan that i would see how bad we look.

You must have missed the Flores years.

Exactly!!!

Anyone who has ever witnessed Dan McGwire firsthand will attest.... it CAN get worse folks, believe it or not.

If we are going to fully rebuild... maybe we should just trade all of our draft picks away for (more) future picks and commit to suck for '10. If we're going to suck and be a laughing stock (like the last 3 weeks) we may as well keep Mora around. No need to waste a new, good coach and give them a team of bad players. Let Mora deal with an 0-16 season before we add the talent in future drafts.

Jeff Bernard, i wasn't speaking about you at all.
You're a regular poster here, i was just curbing the negativity. All teams have roller coaster rides to varying degrees. As Shakespear would say "WE absolutely sucketh!"
You truly are a fan and as so should get better product for your money. I look at the positives like maybe getting Okung in the draft. When i come down to AZ next time to visit family or just travel around, i'd like to get together and buy you a beer, seriously. Same as Seattle or Tacoma fans, which i frequent more since my mom lives in Vansterdam. It sucks ass to have a losing team but even worse when they up and move.

Leiweke: "Any GM we hire to come and join our shithole, will do so on our terms."

If this is who we have making business decisions for our team, it's going to take a LONG TIME for this team to get back to being competitive.

It took the Cardinals 30 years to finally win 10 games in a season. If this clusterfuck continues, it might take us at least that long.

Hasselbeck jersey, meet garbage can.

Mora has to go.
The coaching staff has to go, Hass is getting old, When we get a new GM we will get a new Head coach,if we don't we will stink again in 2010 Please Mr Allen help us Become a contender once again in 2010.

Well, with today's news that Mora has been fired, it's clear that upper management has quit on him.

What we're hearing from the players, however, suggests that they never did.

So what explains the poor finish? Poor fit between scheme and personnel. Often goofy play-calling. An aging, injured QB. Freelancing WR's not running the routes the plays called for. No pass rush from the front four.

That's just for starters. It's a long list.