| 03 January 2010
If you know a Chiefs fan, you owe them a coke. By beating the Broncos, they not only knocked them out of the playoffs (yes!!!), but also put them in either the 14th or 15th drafting spot! The Seahawks appear to be picking #6 with our pick!
So, that appears to be that. If Cincinnati wins tonight, the Broncos pick will be #15. Either way, these are incredibly good picks where you can find solid value without totally blowing the bank. The sixth pick will be expensive, but middle round guys can be huge value with a reasonable price tag.
Comments (66)

15th pick
written by bobbyk, January 03, 2010
written by bobbyk, January 03, 2010
If you would have told me a couple of months ago that our Bronco #1 would be 15th overall, I would have thought you were nuts.
Of course, about 6 months ago, I thought it would easily be a top 10 pick.
Of course, about 6 months ago, I thought it would easily be a top 10 pick.
Top three picks
written by Hawksince77, January 03, 2010
written by Hawksince77, January 03, 2010
I would like to see (at this early date) three of the following players taken by Seattle in the first two rounds:
1) Eric Berry S (he might fall to 6)
2) Russell Okung OT
3) C. J. Spiller RB
4) Derrick Morgan DE
5) Mike Iupati G
6) Ryan Mallet QB
1) Eric Berry S (he might fall to 6)
2) Russell Okung OT
3) C. J. Spiller RB
4) Derrick Morgan DE
5) Mike Iupati G
6) Ryan Mallet QB
I could be wrong,
written by diehard82, January 03, 2010
written by diehard82, January 03, 2010
but I think the Browns strength of schedule was a hair easier than ours so they should have #6 and we shoyuld have #7.
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written by TacomaHawk, January 03, 2010
I'm quite fond of DTs, and while most mocks have Suh and McCoy being gone by #6, if one happened to fall I think pairing him with Mebane would do wonders for our pass-rush, could see Jackson AND Tapp put up double-figure sacks...
written by TacomaHawk, January 03, 2010
I'm quite fond of DTs, and while most mocks have Suh and McCoy being gone by #6, if one happened to fall I think pairing him with Mebane would do wonders for our pass-rush, could see Jackson AND Tapp put up double-figure sacks...
Here we go
written by hawksnest116, January 03, 2010
written by hawksnest116, January 03, 2010
This is to our 6 pick being LT Okung and our second pick be based on value. I honestly want it to be the Gaurd out of Idaho. I think you can find value at RB in the second our later rounds. I would love Spiller or Best with a 4.28-33 40. I just think that Forsett has done more then enough to make him a full time starter. I heard a interview with walter Jones and he made it sound like he will be back. So this sounds nice to me.
LT Walter Jones
LG Sims
C Unger
RG Lupati
RT Okung
LT Walter Jones
LG Sims
C Unger
RG Lupati
RT Okung
I think are pick is a little later...
written by realspd, January 03, 2010
written by realspd, January 03, 2010
1. Rams 1-15
2. Lions 2-14
3. Tampa 3-13
4. Chiefs 4-12
4. Washington 4-12
6. Oakland 5-11
6. Clevland 5-11
6. Seattle 5-11
So depending on the tie breakers we could be picking between the 6 and 8 pick.
9. Bills 6-10
10. Jags 7-9
10. Bears 7-9
10. Miami 7-9
13. Titans 8-8
13. Giants 8-8
13. Denver 8-8
13. 49ers 8-8
When the tie breakers come out the Denver pick will be between 13 and 16.
2. Lions 2-14
3. Tampa 3-13
4. Chiefs 4-12
4. Washington 4-12
6. Oakland 5-11
6. Clevland 5-11
6. Seattle 5-11
So depending on the tie breakers we could be picking between the 6 and 8 pick.
9. Bills 6-10
10. Jags 7-9
10. Bears 7-9
10. Miami 7-9
13. Titans 8-8
13. Giants 8-8
13. Denver 8-8
13. 49ers 8-8
When the tie breakers come out the Denver pick will be between 13 and 16.
Gentlemen Start Your Lists!
written by Fruit of the Boom, January 03, 2010
written by Fruit of the Boom, January 03, 2010
With all the needs the Seahawks have, it would be foolish to waste #1's on a middling crop of O-tackles and quarterbacks when there is an outstanding class of dl's to be had.
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written by Hawkdude, January 03, 2010
written by Hawkdude, January 03, 2010
Hawksnest, I love that line combination. Because I am greedy and want the Hawks to be GREAT right now, it would also be nice to pair one of the killer DE's with Mebane. We would then have a nice complement of both D and O line.
I don't think we need to invest in a RB or QB in the first 3 picks. Lets see what Matt and the new O can do with JForce/Rankin behind a line that actually protects. Would love to see Jones back for one more year and to send him off with a ring.
Loving this upcoming off-season.
I don't think we need to invest in a RB or QB in the first 3 picks. Lets see what Matt and the new O can do with JForce/Rankin behind a line that actually protects. Would love to see Jones back for one more year and to send him off with a ring.
Loving this upcoming off-season.
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written by USAFANARC, January 03, 2010
written by USAFANARC, January 03, 2010
It's Iupati, not Lupati...I just want to clear that up so that no one puts it on a custom Seahawks jersey incorrectly when we pick him with our second round pick. I really hope we get that guy. Nasty, nasty nasty!
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written by MJ21Hoyas, January 03, 2010
written by MJ21Hoyas, January 03, 2010
I really doubt Berry goes in the top 5 picks. Safety is of low positional value and magically teams picking in the top 5 are bad teams with a lot of critical holes.
I think Berry is a good player but it would be a mistake to pick him at #6. He will make little to no difference for this team. Get guys in the trenches to get after the QB or to protect ours.
I think Berry is a good player but it would be a mistake to pick him at #6. He will make little to no difference for this team. Get guys in the trenches to get after the QB or to protect ours.
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written by Hawksfan80, January 03, 2010
written by Hawksfan80, January 03, 2010
With the exception of Suh, if the Hawks waste their first round picks on defense we will only win 1 to 2 games in 2010 and likely 2011. A defense doesn't score points and the quarterback and the rest of this pathetic loser offense is now the worst in the NFL.
MJ
written by Hawksince77, January 03, 2010
written by Hawksince77, January 03, 2010
You don't think Berry would make a difference in Seattle's secondary? Really?
Eric Berry is rated as the top one or two player in the country
written by Hawksince77, January 03, 2010
written by Hawksince77, January 03, 2010
Seattle sorely needs help in the secondary, and besides, this is not about winning right away. It's about building a team with talent and playmakers.
If there was a bonafide Walter Jones in the draft, then sure, that would be the pick at #6, but there's not, and there is also a lack of top-ten talent QBs.
Eric Berry is supposed to be one of those once-in-a-decade player, and if you can get that at #6, that's a steal.
If there was a bonafide Walter Jones in the draft, then sure, that would be the pick at #6, but there's not, and there is also a lack of top-ten talent QBs.
Eric Berry is supposed to be one of those once-in-a-decade player, and if you can get that at #6, that's a steal.
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written by MJ21Hoyas, January 03, 2010
written by MJ21Hoyas, January 03, 2010
Hawksince77
Obviously he would make a difference, but not to the extent that I think many think he will deliver. I'm not saying he wouldn't be an upgrade, but I think it's wishful thinking to believe he steps into the Hawks defense and becomes Ed Reed.
I don't think we have the luxury of taking a safety that high. We have too many holes to fill and the secondary will instantly improve with a better pass rush. I would love to have a player like Eric Berry, but we really have to build at core positions.
Even if it's not glamorous, at some point we have to invest in the trenches. We may not be staring at Joe Thomas II, but we can ill afford to neglect the O-line anymore.
Obviously he would make a difference, but not to the extent that I think many think he will deliver. I'm not saying he wouldn't be an upgrade, but I think it's wishful thinking to believe he steps into the Hawks defense and becomes Ed Reed.
I don't think we have the luxury of taking a safety that high. We have too many holes to fill and the secondary will instantly improve with a better pass rush. I would love to have a player like Eric Berry, but we really have to build at core positions.
Even if it's not glamorous, at some point we have to invest in the trenches. We may not be staring at Joe Thomas II, but we can ill afford to neglect the O-line anymore.
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written by BillT, January 03, 2010
written by BillT, January 03, 2010
With under 10 min left, the Jets are just ripping Cincy so it looks good for the Seahawks to have the 15th pick instead of the 16th (or the 14th instead of the 15th depending on which scenario you believe to be true).
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written by nightwulf, January 03, 2010
written by nightwulf, January 03, 2010
If we keep the picks we've got, I would like to see McCoy or Morgan with our first pick to shore up the DL and help give us a pass rush. I wouldn't be upset with Hayden, either. but if they're gone, I would love to trade back with someone who wants Berry or Bryant or Spiller, and pick up a second or a second and third rounder (depending on how far back we go...we could even pick up another second or third rounder for next year) At pick # 14, we need to reach a bit for Iupati. I want him, I want him, I want him! If we trade back to the early 20's, I wouldn't mind getting Brown. A line of Brown, Iupati, Unger, Sims and Locklear wouldn't be a bad start, and perhaps we could get Best in the second...and this is assuming they don't get a CBA done, and there's not much to be had in FA. If they do get it done, we could swap out Sims for Evans or that guy from NE (forget his name at the moment)
If we trade into the mid teens, we could end up with Bulaga and Iupati, which, I can tell you, would just break my flinty little heart
Best case scenario, our line next year is Bulaga, Iupati, Unger, Evans and Locklear. Now THAT'S something to work with...
If we trade into the mid teens, we could end up with Bulaga and Iupati, which, I can tell you, would just break my flinty little heart
Best case scenario, our line next year is Bulaga, Iupati, Unger, Evans and Locklear. Now THAT'S something to work with...
Who's Ed Reed?
written by BillT, January 03, 2010
written by BillT, January 03, 2010
Ed Reed wasn't "Ed Reed" either when he first came into the NFL.
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written by MJ21Hoyas, January 03, 2010
written by MJ21Hoyas, January 03, 2010
Hawksfansince77
I'm not trying to downplay Berry's talent. I do (however) think he is a little overhyped because he has clear tackling issues. There's a reason safeties don't get picked that high.
We decided to take a "rare" talent at a position of low positional value (draft wise) last year and I would argue that had that pick been spent on a more critical position, our rebuilding mode would be a year ahead of schedule. Sadly, we are starting from ground zero now.
It's a similar predictament with Spiller. He would greatly help the Hawks, but with our O-line play, how great/healthy can he be for us.
My argument against Berry is that Safety and the secondary in general is very dependent upon pressuring the QB. We desperately need to get after opposing QBs and protect ours (not only to extend Hass' dwindling career but to set up the future for the next in line).
I think the general problem with analyzing the draft is that last year's and next year's class are always better. People last year wanted to crap on Stafford and Sanchez, now it's "well this QB class has nobody of the caliber last year." If we are waiting for the next Walter Jones, we will never draft an OT. The hawks need to establish an identity and draft players that fit that system.
I'm not trying to downplay Berry's talent. I do (however) think he is a little overhyped because he has clear tackling issues. There's a reason safeties don't get picked that high.
We decided to take a "rare" talent at a position of low positional value (draft wise) last year and I would argue that had that pick been spent on a more critical position, our rebuilding mode would be a year ahead of schedule. Sadly, we are starting from ground zero now.
It's a similar predictament with Spiller. He would greatly help the Hawks, but with our O-line play, how great/healthy can he be for us.
My argument against Berry is that Safety and the secondary in general is very dependent upon pressuring the QB. We desperately need to get after opposing QBs and protect ours (not only to extend Hass' dwindling career but to set up the future for the next in line).
I think the general problem with analyzing the draft is that last year's and next year's class are always better. People last year wanted to crap on Stafford and Sanchez, now it's "well this QB class has nobody of the caliber last year." If we are waiting for the next Walter Jones, we will never draft an OT. The hawks need to establish an identity and draft players that fit that system.
Once In A Decade Defense
written by BillT, January 03, 2010
Actually, it's kind of fun to speculate about paring a once in a decade safety with our once in a decade linebacker and begin building a once in a decade defense.
written by BillT, January 03, 2010
Actually, it's kind of fun to speculate about paring a once in a decade safety with our once in a decade linebacker and begin building a once in a decade defense.
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written by BaNos, January 03, 2010
written by BaNos, January 03, 2010
FWIW.. The NE Patriot Page has us @ 6 & 14..
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http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2009/09/2010-nfl-draft-order.html
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Sunday, January 3, 2010
2010 NFL Draft Order
The 2010 NFL Draft Order page is updated every week of the NFL season until the NFL Draft. Ties are broken based on weaker strength of schedule.
2010 NFL Draft 1st Round Order - Updated During Week 17 - With Strength of Schedule Tiebreakers included.
Tiebreakers: Easiest Strength of Schedule picks first. If still tied, then worst division record picks first. If still tied, then worst conference record picks first. If still tied, coin flip decides order.
Picks after #20 will be determined by playoff results.
1. St. Louis (1-15)
2. Detroit (2-14)
3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
4. Washington (4-12)
5. Kansas City (4-12)
6. Seattle (5-11)
7. Cleveland (5-11)
8. Oakland (5-11)
9. Buffalo (6-10)
10. Jacksonville (7-9)
11. Chicago (7-9) (Traded to DEN)
12. Miami (7-9)
13. San Francisco (8-
14. Denver (8-
(Traded to SEA)
15. New York Giants (8-
16. Carolina (8-
(Traded to SF)
17. Tennessee (8-
18. Pittsburgh (9-7)
19. Atlanta (9-7)
20. Houston (9-7)
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http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2009/09/2010-nfl-draft-order.html
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Sunday, January 3, 2010
2010 NFL Draft Order
The 2010 NFL Draft Order page is updated every week of the NFL season until the NFL Draft. Ties are broken based on weaker strength of schedule.
2010 NFL Draft 1st Round Order - Updated During Week 17 - With Strength of Schedule Tiebreakers included.
Tiebreakers: Easiest Strength of Schedule picks first. If still tied, then worst division record picks first. If still tied, then worst conference record picks first. If still tied, coin flip decides order.
Picks after #20 will be determined by playoff results.
1. St. Louis (1-15)
2. Detroit (2-14)
3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
4. Washington (4-12)
5. Kansas City (4-12)
6. Seattle (5-11)
7. Cleveland (5-11)
8. Oakland (5-11)
9. Buffalo (6-10)
10. Jacksonville (7-9)
11. Chicago (7-9) (Traded to DEN)
12. Miami (7-9)
13. San Francisco (8-
14. Denver (8-
(Traded to SEA) 15. New York Giants (8-
16. Carolina (8-
(Traded to SF) 17. Tennessee (8-
18. Pittsburgh (9-7)
19. Atlanta (9-7)
20. Houston (9-7)
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written by hawksfan91, January 03, 2010
written by hawksfan91, January 03, 2010
Am I the only person who thinks Willis should be RT next year. I thought he had a really solid year. As for Locklear he might have a future at guard like they were considering at the beginning of the season. With 6 I'd pick a playmaker whether that be spiller,berry, morgan or haden. With the denver pick we should get the best tackle on the board. I'd love Iupati in the second but I'm almost sure he'll go in the first to someone like the steelers or patriots
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written by BillT, January 03, 2010
written by BillT, January 03, 2010
I fully agree that our highest two priorities are to repair the offensive line and get someone who can generate a pass rush consistently. Period. Until then, forget defensive backs, running backs, and wide receivers because they won't make any difference. I do think we need to figure out how to acquire a QB this offseason to be grooming whether it's through trade, FA, or the draft.
It is fun to speculate about some of the skill positions too but that's all we can afford right now is speculation.
It is fun to speculate about some of the skill positions too but that's all we can afford right now is speculation.
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written by MJ21Hoyas, January 03, 2010
written by MJ21Hoyas, January 03, 2010
Sadly our "once in a decade LB" turned out to be the 4th best rookie LB this year. I'm not closing the door on him improving but AJ Hawk was also that "rare" talent. Same goes for Laron Landry who was drafted 6th overall as well.
I'm really not trying to start an argument about Berry. I'd be happy with him as a Seahawk. I'm simply trying to convey the other side of the equation that says you can't continue to ignore the core positions on a football roster. In a perfect world, we'd be staring at Walter Jones Jr at #6, but no one will be in the forseeable future. I'm not saying to reach for guys, we have to acknowledge that certain positions hold higher value than others and must be addressed accordingly.
I'm really not trying to start an argument about Berry. I'd be happy with him as a Seahawk. I'm simply trying to convey the other side of the equation that says you can't continue to ignore the core positions on a football roster. In a perfect world, we'd be staring at Walter Jones Jr at #6, but no one will be in the forseeable future. I'm not saying to reach for guys, we have to acknowledge that certain positions hold higher value than others and must be addressed accordingly.
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written by BillT, January 03, 2010
written by BillT, January 03, 2010
Wow! 6th and 14th is fantastic! Thanks to the Jets and Bronco's. The way Denver started out this year, I was thinking high 20's for that pick. 14 is awesomeat at this point. Washington was ahead of SD until the very last of the game. A Washington win would have put us into the 5th position but 6th is ok.
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written by B., January 03, 2010
written by B., January 03, 2010
This team is obviously in reconstruction mode, but given the right GM and coaching staff, it'll be fun watching them rebuild to the point where they make us all proud once again.
Unfortunately, we'll probably have to endure one Mora year of the present coaching staff before they will be sent down the road.
On the other side of the coin, if I were the new GM coming in, I would make it conditional upon giving me the authority to fire and hire whenever and whoever I feel is necessary to making this team successful ASAP.
Note to Leiwike: In order to rebuild a successful franchise, arrogance needs to take a back seat to humility. Your egocentric attitude will be counterproductive. You need to look in the mirror as much as anyone.
Unfortunately, we'll probably have to endure one Mora year of the present coaching staff before they will be sent down the road.
On the other side of the coin, if I were the new GM coming in, I would make it conditional upon giving me the authority to fire and hire whenever and whoever I feel is necessary to making this team successful ASAP.
Note to Leiwike: In order to rebuild a successful franchise, arrogance needs to take a back seat to humility. Your egocentric attitude will be counterproductive. You need to look in the mirror as much as anyone.
It's early, of course
written by Hawksince77, January 03, 2010
written by Hawksince77, January 03, 2010
And like any decision about a draft, it has to do with the present, the future, balance, value, needs, etc. and for those of us on the outside looking in, it will always be a matter of (relatively) poorly informed opinion (as opposed to those with inside knowledge and access to game film and professional insider analysis).
In the case of this draft, I didn't believe Berry would be available for Seattle to pick - until today. He might be there at six, and I think the top pick should target exceptional players, true football phenoms, and not someone who happens to be at the top of the list of a position that is percieved as high-value (like OT). Especially if you choice at #6 is the second or third choice in a mediocre field.
At this early date, the exceptional players seem to be (and of course this listed is limited by my own ignorance):
1) Eric Berry
2) C.J. Spiller
3) Mike Iupati
(Suh is the other obvious talent that I quit thinking about some time ago)
I am not saying these are the best players in the draft - only exceptional talents at their positions. Who stands out at OT, QB, DE (Derrick Morgan)?
Aaron Curry was the right decision back in April. The question will be if he is the right decision going forward. The jury is still out, but he may still turn out to be worthy of his draft position. Time will tell.
In the meantime, stocking the team with top talent is a good strategy, and while rushing the QB is essential, defending the secondary is as well. A balance is essential, and adding another drafting another DE seems of less value than the top safety in some years.
But that's just my opinion, one certain to evolve in the coming months and be influenced by what I read here.
In the case of this draft, I didn't believe Berry would be available for Seattle to pick - until today. He might be there at six, and I think the top pick should target exceptional players, true football phenoms, and not someone who happens to be at the top of the list of a position that is percieved as high-value (like OT). Especially if you choice at #6 is the second or third choice in a mediocre field.
At this early date, the exceptional players seem to be (and of course this listed is limited by my own ignorance):
1) Eric Berry
2) C.J. Spiller
3) Mike Iupati
(Suh is the other obvious talent that I quit thinking about some time ago)
I am not saying these are the best players in the draft - only exceptional talents at their positions. Who stands out at OT, QB, DE (Derrick Morgan)?
Aaron Curry was the right decision back in April. The question will be if he is the right decision going forward. The jury is still out, but he may still turn out to be worthy of his draft position. Time will tell.
In the meantime, stocking the team with top talent is a good strategy, and while rushing the QB is essential, defending the secondary is as well. A balance is essential, and adding another drafting another DE seems of less value than the top safety in some years.
But that's just my opinion, one certain to evolve in the coming months and be influenced by what I read here.
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written by Mr Fish, January 03, 2010
written by Mr Fish, January 03, 2010
I think Toby Gerhart would be a perfect complement to Forsett at running back. Very few people have him going earlier than the third round, so he could be a steal.
I like Charlie Brown at OT and Iupati at OG. Brown might fall into round two, but I don't think Iupati will. It will be awesome if the Seahawks find a way to land both of these guys.
I don't like any of the QB's enough to take one at #6. I'd be happy with DE Morgan or CB Haden there. I agree that the offense needs attention, but I go with best player available, especially with a top ten pick.
I like Charlie Brown at OT and Iupati at OG. Brown might fall into round two, but I don't think Iupati will. It will be awesome if the Seahawks find a way to land both of these guys.
I don't like any of the QB's enough to take one at #6. I'd be happy with DE Morgan or CB Haden there. I agree that the offense needs attention, but I go with best player available, especially with a top ten pick.
Rebuild the Offensive Line
written by Riggle, January 03, 2010
written by Riggle, January 03, 2010
I've said it before and will say it again:
Pick Okung and Iupati, and we will rebuild faster than you'd think. I believe everything starts with strong lines. Since our OL is in shambles (thank you Ruskell), we need a huge investment.
An OL of Okung, Iupati, Unger, Sims and Locklear will plow/protect/lead us to the promised land.
Pick Okung and Iupati, and we will rebuild faster than you'd think. I believe everything starts with strong lines. Since our OL is in shambles (thank you Ruskell), we need a huge investment.
An OL of Okung, Iupati, Unger, Sims and Locklear will plow/protect/lead us to the promised land.
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written by Mr Fish, January 03, 2010
written by Mr Fish, January 03, 2010
I agree on the value of building a stronger offensive line.
But it would also be nice if we had a defense that could stop opponents more often. Redding and Cole were not the answer, and we need better play from our cornerbacks too. I'd be delirious if Suh or Gerald McCoy fell to us, but I don't expect it to happen. But Morgan and/or Haden could be there at 6.
After watching some of Okung's games, I agree with Seahawks Draft Blog's Rob Staton that he's overrated. I don't think he'd be the BPA at #6.
But it would also be nice if we had a defense that could stop opponents more often. Redding and Cole were not the answer, and we need better play from our cornerbacks too. I'd be delirious if Suh or Gerald McCoy fell to us, but I don't expect it to happen. But Morgan and/or Haden could be there at 6.
After watching some of Okung's games, I agree with Seahawks Draft Blog's Rob Staton that he's overrated. I don't think he'd be the BPA at #6.
6th & the 14th
written by qn4, January 03, 2010
written by qn4, January 03, 2010
to whoever said we may be drafting later, no, we're drafting 6th, for sure. yea, we're tied with Cleveland and Oakland in record (just like last year), but the first tiebreaker is strength of schedule. Cleveland's opponent's had 131 wins, Oakland's had 135 wins and ours had 122 wins, so we win (lose?) the SOS battle (again, just like last year.)
i am now really sad by my realization that two years in a row, we finished with the same record as cleveland and oakland. and two years in a row, we had a weaker schedule than either of them. lovely.
as for the picks? o-line, o-line, o-line. i can see maybe a running back, maybe a quarterback, but i think improved o-line play makes all of our other weaknesses much less relevant. i'm fairly pleased with the interior of the line, but our situation at tackle is dire at best right now. our QB needs to not be running scared for us to even have a chance at turning this around. and drafting a killer RB and then sticking him behind our o-line would be very anti-climatic. we need to fix the o-line. i know we have weaknesses along the d-line, and definitely in the secondary. i get that we need to be looking for a new QB, and could use a nice RB to pair with J-Force. but JuJo and Matt look better the better the o-line plays. the more the offense is on the field, the better the d-line can perform. we were second to last in time of possession this year. of course our defensive line was sketchy, they were on the field the entire game. and once the d-line is running tired, of course you can exploit a secondary. our secondary has a few holes to fill, but they become much less relevant if the d-line is actually able to get to the QB. ruskell invested heavily in the defense as GM. it's time to invest in the offense and watch the investments trickle down to the rest of the weak spots.
one thing i'd love is to address the o-line through free agency. look at the jets, stealing faneca from pittsburgh. they signed two huge free agent o-lineman, and look at their line now and the impact it has on the rest of their team. among the free agents, i like willie colon from pittsburgh and marcus mcneill from san diego. the new GM should be very actively pursuing any free agent tackles, because if we can pull a jets-like retooling of the o-line through free agency, just think of what we could do with our 6th and 14th picks.
whatever we do, we are primed to get some big talent with the 6th and 14th picks in the first, and the early one in the second. appointing a new GM who knows what he's doing is critical. it is absolutely critical.
on one last note, thanks Kansas City, we owe you guys one.
and on one other last note, does chris johnson have tourettes? did you see him twitching on the sideline today? that was crazy weird.
i am now really sad by my realization that two years in a row, we finished with the same record as cleveland and oakland. and two years in a row, we had a weaker schedule than either of them. lovely.
as for the picks? o-line, o-line, o-line. i can see maybe a running back, maybe a quarterback, but i think improved o-line play makes all of our other weaknesses much less relevant. i'm fairly pleased with the interior of the line, but our situation at tackle is dire at best right now. our QB needs to not be running scared for us to even have a chance at turning this around. and drafting a killer RB and then sticking him behind our o-line would be very anti-climatic. we need to fix the o-line. i know we have weaknesses along the d-line, and definitely in the secondary. i get that we need to be looking for a new QB, and could use a nice RB to pair with J-Force. but JuJo and Matt look better the better the o-line plays. the more the offense is on the field, the better the d-line can perform. we were second to last in time of possession this year. of course our defensive line was sketchy, they were on the field the entire game. and once the d-line is running tired, of course you can exploit a secondary. our secondary has a few holes to fill, but they become much less relevant if the d-line is actually able to get to the QB. ruskell invested heavily in the defense as GM. it's time to invest in the offense and watch the investments trickle down to the rest of the weak spots.
one thing i'd love is to address the o-line through free agency. look at the jets, stealing faneca from pittsburgh. they signed two huge free agent o-lineman, and look at their line now and the impact it has on the rest of their team. among the free agents, i like willie colon from pittsburgh and marcus mcneill from san diego. the new GM should be very actively pursuing any free agent tackles, because if we can pull a jets-like retooling of the o-line through free agency, just think of what we could do with our 6th and 14th picks.
whatever we do, we are primed to get some big talent with the 6th and 14th picks in the first, and the early one in the second. appointing a new GM who knows what he's doing is critical. it is absolutely critical.
on one last note, thanks Kansas City, we owe you guys one.
and on one other last note, does chris johnson have tourettes? did you see him twitching on the sideline today? that was crazy weird.
Rookie salary cap
written by TacomaHawk, January 03, 2010
written by TacomaHawk, January 03, 2010
"However, a management source said that owners are considering making a proposal that would make a rookie cap effective immediately, in April, as an addendum to the current labor agreement, even if the two sides fail to reach agreement on an extension." - Chris Mortensen ESPN
I would LOVE to see this happen.
I would LOVE to see this happen.
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written by Recordblender, January 03, 2010
written by Recordblender, January 03, 2010
I can't believe there are people that don't think Eric Berry wouldn't make a difference. Maybe they should go talk to steeler fans about Polamalu not making a difference this year. Give me a break.
Yes we need to rebuild our offensive line, and we need at least one more menicing force on the D-line, but Eric Berry is amazing, and is the best chance of one of the elite four players slipping to us.
Pick 1: Okung, Berry, last choice Sam Bradford
Pick 2: Spiller, Haden
Pick 3: Trade up for Mike Iupati
Yes we need to rebuild our offensive line, and we need at least one more menicing force on the D-line, but Eric Berry is amazing, and is the best chance of one of the elite four players slipping to us.
Pick 1: Okung, Berry, last choice Sam Bradford
Pick 2: Spiller, Haden
Pick 3: Trade up for Mike Iupati
Punter Jon Ryan signs...
written by Farmer Paul, January 04, 2010
written by Farmer Paul, January 04, 2010
a 6 year deal worth 9 million! Off season for the Seahawks is underway! http://www.canada.com/sports/P...story.html
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written by Lucas King, January 04, 2010
written by Lucas King, January 04, 2010
Okung, Bradford, Spiller.... Free agency sign left Gaurd, and DE (perhaps Usi from NYG... wants out of NY) because our 2ndary cant do much if we have no pass rush and we all know that Kerney is old and worthless. Definately a solid OLine and we need a good young QB just in case we are magically good next year. Unfortunately we dont need a saftey in the 1st round right now. Id say get one more solid receiver in the mix but later rounds. We need to get our offense dominate again and we need the Oline dominate. If we had a pass rush our defense would be 150xs better!
two cents
written by Highlander, January 04, 2010
written by Highlander, January 04, 2010
My choice would be:
Derrick Morgan DE
Anthony Davis OT
Mike Iupati OG
If the Hawks are able to grab a decent O linemen in free agency then shift the 2nd round pick to a RB...maybe someone like Jonathan Dwyer.
Derrick Morgan DE
Anthony Davis OT
Mike Iupati OG
If the Hawks are able to grab a decent O linemen in free agency then shift the 2nd round pick to a RB...maybe someone like Jonathan Dwyer.
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written by S.TTBM, January 04, 2010
written by S.TTBM, January 04, 2010
That's great if we get picks 6 and 14. Too bad we have need of 4 first round picks to fill holes! But two picks is much better than one.
I admit I havent watched as much College football this year, so everything I think has to be seen through that lens, but I am excited about our picks. To me, as long as the players we pick work out long-term, I dont think I can get too upset.
But of course, I have favorites. I would love to see any combination of (in no particular order):
1.) Dez Bryant/Golden Tate WR
2.) Gerald McCoy/Morgan DL
3.) Okung/Brown/Lupati OL
I have to say that I just hope we go with BPA, despite serious needs at DL, OL, and WR.
Again, for the fifth straight year, we need a good young WR with size and speed. Maybe this is the year we finally get one. A guy can hope, right?
We need a good FS as well, but I think we are ok at SS, as Grant is okay, and CJ Wallace/Jamar Adams should be coming along. Plus, last years draft showed that Safeties with talent can be found as late as the fourth round, so I think we can get by with a fourth rounder and Babs. Babs got a lot better as the season wore on, and hopefully that continues.
The biggest problem Seattle faces is not the player talent level, nor the gaping positional holes we need to fill: its the lack of leadership and competent coaching across the board.
Arguing for O-line, D-line, or a skill position such as RB or WR is always a chicken/egg argument with the beauty in the eye of the beholder. This year I believe that is even more so, due to the effect coaching (or lack of it) has on rookies.
Does anyone think Curry lacks the talent he seemed to have coming out of College?! I know I dont. We saw early in the season what he can do. Its the incompetence of our coaching staff that took a first-rate talent and made him regress as the year went on.
Which brings me to my big gripe: To me, it wont matter much if we have a very good offensive line next year because 1) Knapp's offense still will suck-despite running the ball better as the year went on, the WR's were still running retarded pass routes, 2)the scheme isnt complex enough to fool a Pop Warner defense, 3)when things dont work (like WR's not getting open), regardless of protection, Matt tends to throw stupid balls, and 4) The coaches dont seem to know how to utilize the corps of WR's we have--even to thier mediocre ability, so how will more time for the qb help if no one is open?!
Knapp and Mora seem to think a 1997 offense will work here and now in the NFL. It wont. They are trying to build a team to win games 17-13, and in todays NFL few if any teams win often that way. No longer can teams win with simple schemes--not unless their talent and execution far outperforms the oppositions. And in todays parity-ridden NFL, that doesnt happen much.
To me, thier strategy is doomed to failure. We arent going to be an elite team by deliberatly building a second-rate offense. And I dont see us becoming a Ravens-like defense with Bradley running a Tampa 2 all the time. Which is what it would take for an offense like ours wants to be to win consistently.
You have to score at least 20 points plus a game to win consistently in the NFL, you have to be able to score quickly when needed, and you have to be able to pass the ball. How many teams suck at passing and yet win?! Not many. How many suck at running but win with the pass?! Lots--look at NE,Indy, and San Deigo to name a few.
My hope is that Seattle picks the BPA with both picks, rather than reaching for a position of need, especially since I firmly believe (and hope) that we wont be having this coaching staff past next season.
I admit I havent watched as much College football this year, so everything I think has to be seen through that lens, but I am excited about our picks. To me, as long as the players we pick work out long-term, I dont think I can get too upset.
But of course, I have favorites. I would love to see any combination of (in no particular order):
1.) Dez Bryant/Golden Tate WR
2.) Gerald McCoy/Morgan DL
3.) Okung/Brown/Lupati OL
I have to say that I just hope we go with BPA, despite serious needs at DL, OL, and WR.
Again, for the fifth straight year, we need a good young WR with size and speed. Maybe this is the year we finally get one. A guy can hope, right?
We need a good FS as well, but I think we are ok at SS, as Grant is okay, and CJ Wallace/Jamar Adams should be coming along. Plus, last years draft showed that Safeties with talent can be found as late as the fourth round, so I think we can get by with a fourth rounder and Babs. Babs got a lot better as the season wore on, and hopefully that continues.
The biggest problem Seattle faces is not the player talent level, nor the gaping positional holes we need to fill: its the lack of leadership and competent coaching across the board.
Arguing for O-line, D-line, or a skill position such as RB or WR is always a chicken/egg argument with the beauty in the eye of the beholder. This year I believe that is even more so, due to the effect coaching (or lack of it) has on rookies.
Does anyone think Curry lacks the talent he seemed to have coming out of College?! I know I dont. We saw early in the season what he can do. Its the incompetence of our coaching staff that took a first-rate talent and made him regress as the year went on.
Which brings me to my big gripe: To me, it wont matter much if we have a very good offensive line next year because 1) Knapp's offense still will suck-despite running the ball better as the year went on, the WR's were still running retarded pass routes, 2)the scheme isnt complex enough to fool a Pop Warner defense, 3)when things dont work (like WR's not getting open), regardless of protection, Matt tends to throw stupid balls, and 4) The coaches dont seem to know how to utilize the corps of WR's we have--even to thier mediocre ability, so how will more time for the qb help if no one is open?!
Knapp and Mora seem to think a 1997 offense will work here and now in the NFL. It wont. They are trying to build a team to win games 17-13, and in todays NFL few if any teams win often that way. No longer can teams win with simple schemes--not unless their talent and execution far outperforms the oppositions. And in todays parity-ridden NFL, that doesnt happen much.
To me, thier strategy is doomed to failure. We arent going to be an elite team by deliberatly building a second-rate offense. And I dont see us becoming a Ravens-like defense with Bradley running a Tampa 2 all the time. Which is what it would take for an offense like ours wants to be to win consistently.
You have to score at least 20 points plus a game to win consistently in the NFL, you have to be able to score quickly when needed, and you have to be able to pass the ball. How many teams suck at passing and yet win?! Not many. How many suck at running but win with the pass?! Lots--look at NE,Indy, and San Deigo to name a few.
My hope is that Seattle picks the BPA with both picks, rather than reaching for a position of need, especially since I firmly believe (and hope) that we wont be having this coaching staff past next season.
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written by Rob Staton, January 04, 2010
written by Rob Staton, January 04, 2010
My opinion of Berry is well publicised - I don't think he's a 'once in a decade' safety. I wouldn't take him in the top ten. Mike Iupati could be that once in a decade interior lineman. I've not seen a combination of size and speed like that before. Whatever line scheme Seattle run next year (man or zone) he's an ideal fit. I'd have to consider him at #14. He won't be there in round two. I think he's good enough to justify that mid teens pick.
A left tackle at #6 would be nice, but I don't see who you could justify taking. Anthony Davis could be gone - he's got Ryan Clady potential but doesn't do enough at the moment at the second level. After that - Okung's hugely over rated and Campbell has injury history. Charles Brown is under sized (could be there at #40) and Bryan Bulaga is a RT.
Therefore (and it's still very early) I think Seattle has to hope one of the top DL falls (Derrick Morgan would be ideal) or they take a punt on a Joe Haden/CJ Spiller/Dez Bryant or even as a wild card - Ryan Mallett.
A left tackle at #6 would be nice, but I don't see who you could justify taking. Anthony Davis could be gone - he's got Ryan Clady potential but doesn't do enough at the moment at the second level. After that - Okung's hugely over rated and Campbell has injury history. Charles Brown is under sized (could be there at #40) and Bryan Bulaga is a RT.
Therefore (and it's still very early) I think Seattle has to hope one of the top DL falls (Derrick Morgan would be ideal) or they take a punt on a Joe Haden/CJ Spiller/Dez Bryant or even as a wild card - Ryan Mallett.
Trade Down
written by John_s, January 04, 2010
written by John_s, January 04, 2010
The Hawks have way too many holes to fill. They holes in every position even LB. I'm not sold on Leroy Hill at all.
I think with the 6th pick the Hawks need to trade down and get gather more picks. They need to recoup the 3rd rounder that we wasted on Deon Butler.
If Berry is available @ 6 then Im all over him if not, trade down. Then I'm taking the best of the 3 OT's available (I think Bulaga is a guard just like Robert Gallery) or CJ Spiller or a DE. Joe Haden i'm iffy on, it depends on how he measures out. We do not need another sub 5'10 guy as a CB.
I like the OT from Maryland, he's raw but has the skills to be a LT.
I think Okung is a RT in the NFL and Davis the kid from Rutgers is ok.
I love Iuputi. He's Steve Hutchinson. I would take him with the 14th pick. Yes that's high for a guard be Hutch was picked around the same time.
If it was me it would be
Bruce Campbell - OT - 1st Rd
Mike Iupati - OG - 1st Rd
Carlos Dunlap / Greg Hardy / Everson Griffin - DE - 2nd Rd
Demaryius Thomas - WR - 3rd Round (recouped with a trade down in Rd 1)
Nate Allen / Larry Asante - S - 4th Rd
I would also look into a trade w/GB for James Jones. He'a big WR with skills.
Offseason plans - Cut Julius Jones, Deion Branch, Locklear, Griffith, Kerney, Lawrence Jackson, Leroy Hill. I would also cut TJ Whosyourmama if it wasn't for his big cap hit.
Sign Jared Gaither from Baltimore
As much I would hate to, at this point in time since we are in the rebuilding stage, I would look into trading Hass. If we could get a 3rd or 4th rounder I would be game. Maybe Carolina??? More than likely it's a 4th rounder and I would go for Ben Tate RB from Auburn
I think with the 6th pick the Hawks need to trade down and get gather more picks. They need to recoup the 3rd rounder that we wasted on Deon Butler.
If Berry is available @ 6 then Im all over him if not, trade down. Then I'm taking the best of the 3 OT's available (I think Bulaga is a guard just like Robert Gallery) or CJ Spiller or a DE. Joe Haden i'm iffy on, it depends on how he measures out. We do not need another sub 5'10 guy as a CB.
I like the OT from Maryland, he's raw but has the skills to be a LT.
I think Okung is a RT in the NFL and Davis the kid from Rutgers is ok.
I love Iuputi. He's Steve Hutchinson. I would take him with the 14th pick. Yes that's high for a guard be Hutch was picked around the same time.
If it was me it would be
Bruce Campbell - OT - 1st Rd
Mike Iupati - OG - 1st Rd
Carlos Dunlap / Greg Hardy / Everson Griffin - DE - 2nd Rd
Demaryius Thomas - WR - 3rd Round (recouped with a trade down in Rd 1)
Nate Allen / Larry Asante - S - 4th Rd
I would also look into a trade w/GB for James Jones. He'a big WR with skills.
Offseason plans - Cut Julius Jones, Deion Branch, Locklear, Griffith, Kerney, Lawrence Jackson, Leroy Hill. I would also cut TJ Whosyourmama if it wasn't for his big cap hit.
Sign Jared Gaither from Baltimore
As much I would hate to, at this point in time since we are in the rebuilding stage, I would look into trading Hass. If we could get a 3rd or 4th rounder I would be game. Maybe Carolina??? More than likely it's a 4th rounder and I would go for Ben Tate RB from Auburn
Plug in big names and wala - Superbowl!
written by Fruit of the Boom, January 04, 2010
written by Fruit of the Boom, January 04, 2010
For those who think a #6 & #14 are locks to become starters and great players read Rob Statton's 5 year history of #6 & #14 draft picks.
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written by elgranderojo, January 04, 2010
written by elgranderojo, January 04, 2010
I like Okung, don't love him, and I love Lupati, he is a scary man! I think we should let Walter Jones interview Okung and watch him play and then decide if he can get the kid to be a good left tackle. It's tough when you are replacing a legend.
I was watching the Jets line absolutely dominate the Bengals last night and kept thinking how smart they were for taking Ferguson and Mangold a few years back. That team would be Superbowl worthy if Sanchez were ready. Number 1 rusing offense in the league for the Jets tthis year. That sounds nice, doesn't it?
I was watching the Jets line absolutely dominate the Bengals last night and kept thinking how smart they were for taking Ferguson and Mangold a few years back. That team would be Superbowl worthy if Sanchez were ready. Number 1 rusing offense in the league for the Jets tthis year. That sounds nice, doesn't it?
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written by omar little, January 04, 2010
written by omar little, January 04, 2010
Okung won't slip past either KC, Detroit, or Washington. All three have huge needs at LT, and you can bet KC and Detroit are commited to protecting their young QBs, especially after Stafford got put on IR.
Focus on Campbell and Davis as they are the better players anyway. Both are much more agressive in run blocking than Okung and Campbell has all the upside in the world. Both will be considered better than Okung in 3 years time, much like Walt Jones is considered better than Pace.
Bulaga has no promise at LT at all. Maybe at RT or G but he is not skilled enough in pass protection to warrent a top 15 pick.
Berry is a special talent, but I would rather take a second tier LT like Joe Staley over Ed Reed. Not a whole lot of value in a pick like that. Corner is also a bigger need, especially in the NFC West. Grab a safety in the later rounds, outside of Reed and Polamalu all the pro bowl level safety's were 2-6 round picks. Maybe, MAYBE if he somehow falls to 14 we grab Berry, but thats a tough choice...
That pick at 14 gives us a lot of felxibility. Its a little high for a guard, but I've never seen lupati play so maybe he is something very special. Morgan, Haden and Bradford could still be there and I'd be fine with either of those picks.
Focus on Campbell and Davis as they are the better players anyway. Both are much more agressive in run blocking than Okung and Campbell has all the upside in the world. Both will be considered better than Okung in 3 years time, much like Walt Jones is considered better than Pace.
Bulaga has no promise at LT at all. Maybe at RT or G but he is not skilled enough in pass protection to warrent a top 15 pick.
Berry is a special talent, but I would rather take a second tier LT like Joe Staley over Ed Reed. Not a whole lot of value in a pick like that. Corner is also a bigger need, especially in the NFC West. Grab a safety in the later rounds, outside of Reed and Polamalu all the pro bowl level safety's were 2-6 round picks. Maybe, MAYBE if he somehow falls to 14 we grab Berry, but thats a tough choice...
That pick at 14 gives us a lot of felxibility. Its a little high for a guard, but I've never seen lupati play so maybe he is something very special. Morgan, Haden and Bradford could still be there and I'd be fine with either of those picks.
just a suggestions
written by Highlander, January 04, 2010
written by Highlander, January 04, 2010
Not to dictact how things are done here, but if I might offer a suggestion...
Ignoring trade possiblities, there are several names that continually pop up in draft discussion. I suggest perhaps a thread on each one perhaps linking a few reviews, perhaps some video links and a discussion of which pick, if any, they deserve.
For example, Okung is listed anywhere from 2nd overall to late 1st round from what I gather. Personally, I think he may be very much overratted, but obviously there is debate on the issue...so I recomend a thread to debate it. The same goes for each of the obvious prospects.
Earlier I listed my general top 3 choices, but I'm sure others might disagree. Perhaps we can see the reason, for instance, that people don't see the 6 pick going on Morgan, for example.
Thoughts?
Ignoring trade possiblities, there are several names that continually pop up in draft discussion. I suggest perhaps a thread on each one perhaps linking a few reviews, perhaps some video links and a discussion of which pick, if any, they deserve.
For example, Okung is listed anywhere from 2nd overall to late 1st round from what I gather. Personally, I think he may be very much overratted, but obviously there is debate on the issue...so I recomend a thread to debate it. The same goes for each of the obvious prospects.
Earlier I listed my general top 3 choices, but I'm sure others might disagree. Perhaps we can see the reason, for instance, that people don't see the 6 pick going on Morgan, for example.
Thoughts?
spelling
written by Highlander, January 04, 2010
written by Highlander, January 04, 2010
Ouch, just saw my previous post...err...normally my grasp of English is a tad better...my apologies. I guess I have grown dependent upon spell checkers too much.
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written by Rob Staton, January 04, 2010
written by Rob Staton, January 04, 2010
Okung is over rated. At this stage I thik Anthony Davis will be the first OT taken along with Bruce Campbell. Okung would've been a late first rounder/early second rounder last year. Nothing this year has convinced me he deserves to be in the top ten now and I don't think he will be.
R Rated Post Re-Gifted!
written by kidder95, January 04, 2010
written by kidder95, January 04, 2010
I'm no draft expert (although my wife swears I should be!), but I'd suggest everyone find some tape of Okung. You will not like what you see.
Then go look at Anthony Davis, and Mike Iupati. Or, if you are really into it, check out Jason Fox.
Also, for those who want Spiller (and I am one of them), see Reggie Bush. Make sure you include his injuries in your analysis. Spiller is hurt often, but is tough as nails. Still, they are comparable players. NO will most likely let Bush walk this year. Bush as a FA, Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati, with a QB as 2nd rounder would be nice.
But then, what the hell do I know.
Then go look at Anthony Davis, and Mike Iupati. Or, if you are really into it, check out Jason Fox.
Also, for those who want Spiller (and I am one of them), see Reggie Bush. Make sure you include his injuries in your analysis. Spiller is hurt often, but is tough as nails. Still, they are comparable players. NO will most likely let Bush walk this year. Bush as a FA, Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati, with a QB as 2nd rounder would be nice.
But then, what the hell do I know.
Berry
written by kidder95, January 04, 2010
written by kidder95, January 04, 2010
Anyone who thinks Berry is special need watch him tackle. His coverage is fine (infact he may be a better CB). But his tackling is Michael Huff 'esque.
Anyone who wants Berry ought to go check out Michael Huff's hype and illustrious career in college followed by reality.
He is a small cover safety with good speed, good ball skils and poor tacking and run support technique. He is a 3rd rounder who has been hyped to 1st round status.
See Curry, Aaron.
Anyone who wants Berry ought to go check out Michael Huff's hype and illustrious career in college followed by reality.
He is a small cover safety with good speed, good ball skils and poor tacking and run support technique. He is a 3rd rounder who has been hyped to 1st round status.
See Curry, Aaron.
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written by tam, January 04, 2010
written by tam, January 04, 2010
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php has some intriguing 2010 mock drafts (note: the latest draft order has not been updated - coming Thursday). however, still provocative nonetheless. and what do you know, they have us targeting a LT?!
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written by Hawksmack, January 04, 2010
written by Hawksmack, January 04, 2010
Derrick Morgan is my number one choice.CJ spiller may still be there at 14.If he isnt take the best OT available.Mike Lupati in the 2nd round.He may not even be the best guard out there.I see there is another guard on scout inc's top 32 and it isnt Lupati.Vladimir Ducasse UMASS.I dont know anything about him at this point.But if he is better than Lupati wow.Our new GM has to work some magic we sure could use a third round pick this year.
Mock Draft
written by lars hanson, January 04, 2010
written by lars hanson, January 04, 2010
Hey Chris thanks for the comment on my last draft topic. As I told u in my comment back to you my mock draft was going to schok you and a lot of people, well for the Seahwks pick at least.
http://hansonsportsblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/2010-nfl-mock-draft-first-round.html
http://hansonsportsblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/2010-nfl-mock-draft-first-round.html
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written by Recordblender, January 04, 2010
written by Recordblender, January 04, 2010
Omar little you are crazy saying you would rather have Joe Staley on your team than Ed Reed. Ed Reed has won multiple games for his team ALONE. Staley is just a slightly above average tackle.
For everyone who is suggesting that we pick up Mike Iupati with the second round pick, I can assure you he will not make it to the second round. This guy is 330 with a mean streak and feet like a tight end.
Also; Okung is the real deal. He dominated EVERY defensive opponent in the Olemiss game.
For everyone who is suggesting that we pick up Mike Iupati with the second round pick, I can assure you he will not make it to the second round. This guy is 330 with a mean streak and feet like a tight end.
Also; Okung is the real deal. He dominated EVERY defensive opponent in the Olemiss game.
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written by Rob Staton, January 05, 2010
written by Rob Staton, January 05, 2010
Dominated every opponent against Ole Miss except the two occassions in the fourth quarter where he was flat out, once leading to his QB getting absolutely slammed to the ground... to the point he got up clutching his ribs?
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written by omar little, January 05, 2010
written by omar little, January 05, 2010
I'm serious, I guarentee you that every good coach in the league values a slightly above average left tackle more than a future HOF safety. How many safety's go in the top 10 each year? You can always count on at least two LTs going in the top 10.
Left tackle is the second most important on the team, next to QB. Player saleries reflect this fact. How much do Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu/Adrian Wilson/OJ Atogwe make? How much do Walt Jones/Joe Thomas/Jake Long/Jordan Gross make? Its not even a comparision...
Left tackle may not be the "sexy" pick but I would take a solid guy like Staley over Reed 100 times over. Nothing against Reed, but left tackle is just that important of a posistion and lets face it, safety isn't.
Also you saying Reed has won multiple games alone is very misleading. He may make a game changing play here and there, but how often does a gambler like Reed give up a big play when he takes a chance? Left tackles on the other hand have to always be on point or the game will change in the blink of the eye. How many games do you think Walt Jones has won us? A lot harder to judge but I would bet anything he has won more for us in the past 7 years than Reed ever will win for the Ravens.
Left tackle is the second most important on the team, next to QB. Player saleries reflect this fact. How much do Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu/Adrian Wilson/OJ Atogwe make? How much do Walt Jones/Joe Thomas/Jake Long/Jordan Gross make? Its not even a comparision...
Left tackle may not be the "sexy" pick but I would take a solid guy like Staley over Reed 100 times over. Nothing against Reed, but left tackle is just that important of a posistion and lets face it, safety isn't.
Also you saying Reed has won multiple games alone is very misleading. He may make a game changing play here and there, but how often does a gambler like Reed give up a big play when he takes a chance? Left tackles on the other hand have to always be on point or the game will change in the blink of the eye. How many games do you think Walt Jones has won us? A lot harder to judge but I would bet anything he has won more for us in the past 7 years than Reed ever will win for the Ravens.
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written by S.TTBM, January 05, 2010
written by S.TTBM, January 05, 2010
Good points, Omar. I too would rather see any of the top 3 LT's than Eric Berry. Still, I am also interested in Golden Tate, Dez Bryant, McCoy, Morgan, etc. Got to go with BPA and hope our Hawks staff knows what they are doing. We cannot afford any more Ruskell-esque first round fiasco's (Branch, Jackson, Spencer, Jennings).
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written by S.TTBM, January 05, 2010
written by S.TTBM, January 05, 2010
I will never understand why we chose a mediocre DE who wouldnt have gone until mid-second round over S Kenny Phillips--whom we knew damn well the Giants coveted. We could have at least picked him and immediately tried trading him to NY. Evil, but better than wasting a first round pick on third round talent.
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written by omar little, January 05, 2010
written by omar little, January 05, 2010
That would be great if we could land any of those guys and a LT in the first. I would love to see us McCoy (not Colt), Morgan (Pat Kerney Jr.) or Tate in Seahawk blue, they all seem to have a bright future in the league. I do not know much about Bryant, is he a posession reciver or more of a speedy deep threat? I hear him hyped as the best WR in the class but I don't know a thing about him.
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written by tam, January 05, 2010
written by tam, January 05, 2010
i too am very intrigued by golden tate, especially since i watched every second of the notre dame game. and even though we knew very damn well the ball was going to him everytime, we still couldnt stop him, i think he had well over 200+ all purpose yards against a defense designed to stop, regardless of our talent. with that being said 1 of the 2 first picks has to be a LT, it simply has to be. but tate would be nice to have, no doubt - very percy harvin-esque material.
Okay, I'm convinced.
written by Hawksince77, January 06, 2010
written by Hawksince77, January 06, 2010
So here is my current thoughts about our first four draft picks:
1 (6) - top OT available/that fits our scheme (Okung/Williams/Davis)
2 - (14) - Mike Iupati
3 - (2nd round) - Jahvid Best, if available and Ryan Mathews if not. (Both are RBs)
4 - (4th round) - Kam Chanceller (S) if available, perhaps Robert Johnson (S) if not.
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2 - (14) - Mike Iupati
3 - (2nd round) - Jahvid Best, if available and Ryan Mathews if not. (Both are RBs)
4 - (4th round) - Kam Chanceller (S) if available, perhaps Robert Johnson (S) if not.
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written by omar little, January 06, 2010
written by omar little, January 06, 2010
Williams is a right tackle, he won't be worth drafting to play on the left side. We might as well start Willis over there...
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Player Pos. School Grade
1. Eric Berry* S Tenn 97
2. Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska 97
3. Gerald McCoy* DT Oklahoma 96
4. Joe Haden* CB Florida 96
5. Derrick Morgan* DE Georgia Tech 96
6. Russell Okung OT Okla. State 96
7. Rolando McClain* ILB Alabama 96
8. Trent Williams OT Oklahoma 95
9. Jake Locker* QB Washington 95
10. C.J. Spiller RB Clemson 95
11. Sam Bradford* QB Oklahoma 94
12. Earl Thomas* S Texas 94
13. Dez Bryant* WR Okla. State 94
14. Anthony Davis OT Rutgers 94
15. Navorro Bowman* OLB Penn State 94
16. Sergio Kindle OLB Texas 93
17. Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 93
18. Taylor Mays S USC 93
19. Bruce Carter* OLB North Carolina 92
20. Brandon Spikes ILB Florida 92
21. Carlos Dunlap* DE Florida 92
22. Jahvid Best* RB California 92
23. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma 92
24. Bruce Campbell OT Maryland 92
25. Patrick Robinson CB Florida State 92
26. Golden Tate* WR Notre Dame 91
27. Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa 91
28. Jimmy Clausen* QB Notre Dame 90
29. Arthur Jones DT Syracuse 90
30. Jonathan Dwyer* RB Georgia Tech 90
31. Vladimir Ducasse G UMass-Amherst 90
32. Ricky Sapp DE Clemson 90
* denotes draft-eligible junior