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Tom Brady would suck with this offense. The O-line is terrible cannot block anybody. The RB's when left in to block whiff and the WR's cannot seperate from their man.

Of course Hasselbeck has to try and force things because no one gets open. He can't even drop back three steps before the defense is on him so he has to get rid of the ball faster than intended.


Thank you RUSKELL!

You're only as good as your offensive line in the NFL. Couple that with midget receivers without break away speed, and a big money receiver not playing up to his contract when given the chance, an inept running game, and offensive line, you're going to play terrible. You can't squeeze water from a rock. It's just a terrible team.

Can we please start having posts about the draft, and where this team needs to go!

We all know how pathetic they are right now. We should be picking #1 the way we are playing.

And what is the hold up in picking a GM??? Let's get going on the rebuild, I'm tired of having nothing to look forward to or hope for. Getter done!

We need a GM in here sooner rather then later,The team needs to get ready for the draft,I assume the GM will be making the calls on the draft and lets hope he is giving input on what coaches if any to retain.

The Seahawks cannot look at everyone they would like to at GM until after the regular season is over. The Seahawks are rumored to be eyeballin' candidates from the front offices of Philly, New England and Arizona. The Seahawks have to just wait until after this Sunday. Plus, I believe "The Rooney Rule" also is playing a factor in the delay of a new GM.

It's probably best to be patient at this point. There is a lot of rebuilding that needs to be done to the Seahawks Org. It wouldn't be wise to just rush into signing someone who is going to oversee the transformation of this team. I do think that holding Mora over the new GM is ridiculus. If the new GM wants new coaches, let the new GM have new coaches. Mora should be fighting for his job just like he say's the players have to do.

Holmgren taught players to understand their role in the scheme, and then expected perfection in their execution. Now that Holmgren is gone from Seattle the offense lacks the precision needed to get the most from Matthew. Matt doesn't fully understand the concept, and it shows on the field. To make matters worse, he is surrounded by a weak offensive line unit, and non-explosive skill players.

There are some good players on the offense. But they need the elite freak to take attention and demand respect. Sorry TJ, Julius, Carlson...you just aren't that much of a threat!

Will Butler become a threat? Odds are against it. Carlson is a very good player. I think Unger is going to be good, as well. But that offense needs a stud hoss to rally around. It'll take a few years to develop one, and purchasing one is a risky proposition. The only way to get around it, is to have a dominant defense. A top five defense. Proof is in the pudding. Mission: NOT accomplished!

At least we have two first rounders who may be able to develop into difference makers.

This team has great Compliment players. With a true threat on the field they would all "overacheive" as is thier MO. Overacheivers need someone better then them physically to rally around. We need the Joey Galloway player that teams have to prepare for. I remember an interview in the Erickson years with a rival teams coach who was asked what is the number one thing that you have to prepare for when facing the Seahawks? His answer "Galloway, Galloway, Galloway". We need that player at running back or Wide reciever, or both.

we need a new Tackles both sides and a couple of huge 380 pounders up front for D

couldnt agree with you guys more, we just need that one (or two) bad ass game changer be it at the QB, RB, or WR position. Preferably i think most people want it at the QB spot, but tell me you wouldnt love a Chris Johnson or Andre Johnson on your team. taking a glance at next years draft, the closest guy to the next big thing might be Ingram. not sure if we have a shot at him draft wise however. Im torn, as we desperately need oline help, but hot damn we need an absolute offensive beast too. so many needs, it hurts. Good luck future GM!

aside the lack of talented linemen. it's the coaching system and scheme. Look at the Big Picture, amongst a few other teams look at Seattle and Indianapolis; Indi has a Rookie Coach and did the same deal Seattle did by naming their successor prior to their Head Coaches departing. Indi pretty much kept their entire Staff! Seattle not only changed their Head Coach but the entire Staff. ummmmmm..... Matt even said he is still trying to understand the offence, imagine what the rest of the team is doing. they should have kept the same system with a few changes!!!

I sure hope it doesn't take Matt this long to learn a new system, because if he sticks around and we have a new head coach (please, please, please)...he's gotta learn another system. Matt has had an entire off-season and an entire regular season to learn the system. I think that's an excuse that the fans are making for him...incidently, he said yesterday that that was not the problem. If that is the problem, we need to move on at QB. I think the O-Line problems are more the cause of Matt's struggles. He's become gunshy. He throws the ball up when he feels a little pressure. Of course, I would too if I'd been hit as much as Hass has.

As far as the draft, I really hope we go after Charles Brown or Okung and then draft Spiller. Spiller is a stud and a game changer. The guy can flat out run. He will be the guy the other teams have to prepare for.

Why is everyone defending Hasselbeck? Look, its his time to go. Everyones talents diminish at some point in time and it just happens to be our star QB that its happening to. We should let him play through his contract next year but draft Colt McCoy to learn from him. We should also get a play making RB *cough* CJ Spiller *cough*. Then we pick up an OLineman in the top of the 2nd round. You know Julius Peppers is a FA and hed be a great signing for the Hawks. Hasselbeck has played his worst these last 2 games while the O-Line has played its best these last two games, no excuses.

Another point is Aaron Rodgers is the QB who has been sacked the most this season, please look it up. Shouldnt he be gun shy? Because hes looked good all year. A pro QB needs to overcome difficulties which Hasselbeck can't. He is old,has lost a step, and can't hang with the top dogs no more. Don't get me wrong I love Hasselbeck, he is thehawksgreatest qb and he is an asset to the Seattle community, but C'mon MAN!

I have to agree with hawksfanmsvl. We have alot of problems. Matt is trying to learn a new system but lets face it nobody is scared of our O-line, backfield or receivers. This puts more pressure on him to make plays (Hard to do when you are running for your life). The new GM might want to think about taking one of those first round picks and keep trading it down collecting second and third rounders. The team needs alot of players and that would be one way we could get some help.

One thing for sure is this will be an interesting offseason to say the least.

SickandTired, Maybe you took my comments differently than I intended. I was not defending him. I was knocking the "still learning the system" defense that many people are throwing out. I love the guy, but I think his time in Seattle should only continue one more season if we want to use him as a mentor for a new draft choice....otherwise, lets trade him for whatever we can get. His injuries and the O-Line problems have made him gunshy and that is a very bad thing for a QB, whether it's his falt or not. Next week may very well be the last time we see the greatest Seahawk QB ever in a Seahawk uniform.

Now at least the newspapers, magazines and sports networks are paying more attention to the Seahawks.

I have to bet that the criteria for hiring a new GM doesn't include keeping Mora any more. A new GM who can choose his own head coach, two first round draft picks, a great stadium to play in and the best training facility in the business, and the deep pockets of Paul Allen. Not too bad of a job.

The "learning the system still" excuse is played out. They've had camp, pre-season, and fifteen games to learn the sytem. The "system" is just different terminolgy, a slant is a slant, a post route is still a post route. Hes a veteran and he should of learned the sytem within camp and pre-season. The way Mora is thinking, I don't know if we will evenhave the chance to have a rookie propspect learn from Hasselbeck.I believe Holmgren might offer the Seahawks FO a nice draft pick for Hasselbeck. And yes, it will be a saddening day to see him go..

Sick,
it isn't that Matt isn't learning the system, it's that the system SUCKS, and Matt only has 1.5 sec to diagnose the D and get the ball off. Plus, right now, the offense is operating on zero cylinders, and Matt, being the total competitor that he is, is just trying to get SOMETHING, ANYTHING going. What, if he throws a pick, we might LOOSE? Nobody would look good behind that line.
And re: Arron Rodgers, the reason that he's the most sacked is that he tends to hold onto the ball too long. Matt has been sacked more than once on A ONE STEP DROP! I haven't seen the entirety of the last two games, but in what I did see, Matt NEVER ONCE had a pocket from which to throw. The line was collapsing around him as soon as he took the snap.
We need at least 2, preferably 3 new GOOD guys on the O line, we need a new HC, a new OC, a new DC, a new ST coach, and a couple guys with a real fire in them. Matt's got a couple years left in him if he gets a line worthy of the name. If we're going to use him in a Trent Dilfer role, he's got maybe 4 years. Unless Teel is the guy, we need to find a QB this year or next. Regardless of what happens, this won't be a one season fix. All we can hope for next year is "some improvement"...

you can't put all the blame on Hass any more than you can put it all on the OL.

Matt is old, the line sucks, and the Hawks do not have a single playmaker.... solid guys, yes, but not a truly explosive playmaker. Add it all up and you get a crappy offense. Add a mediocre D to that and you get 5-11 football.

The REALLY sad thing is, right now the only other options are Teel and Seneca. Doesn't exactly get the heart pumping, does it?

Boy, instead of the same old captain obvious Settle newspaper writing it sure would be nice to have the P-I instead of this insightful crap:
Matt Hasselbeck is not playing like Matt Hasselbeck. - Steve Kelley at The Seattle Times
Why was Hasselbeck still in the game? - Danny O'Neil at The Seattle Times
...next

Everyone who pays much attention to the Hawks--especially opposing defenses--has figured out Knapp's "system". It surely isnt that Matt doesnt fully understand that system--its that the system is broken, beyond repair. Housh and Branch obviously have zero faith in it as well. And folks, even if I was blind, that would be enough for me.

Knapp's offense is too simple, he is mostly rehashing stuff that barely worked 10 years ago. Just like Tom Flores and his coaching staff, Knapp's days as a competent NFL Coordinator are far behind him.

The longer Knapp stays, the worse its going to get. It will not get better.

The line is awful, and Hasselbeck is pressing and playing poorly. Thats true. It is also true that we have no number 1 WR, and I think its been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that Tim Ruskell was wrong, and every competent NFL offense MUST HAVE a true number 1 WR to compete. I also believe the world now knows that Matt Hasselbeck never was a great qb, simply a good one--and that he is a system qb; without Holmgren's WCO, he is not good. Thats no real knock on Matt, but its the truth.

We need a RB to take the load off Forsett and allow J-Force to shine as the change of pace/third down Dave Meggett back he is. Not necessarily a 25-carry a game back, but someone who can carry the ball 15-20 times a game and get the tough yards as well as break some long ones. Jonathan Stewart is what Im thinking. While J-Stew could be a 25 carry back, it would wear him out in 5 years. Nothing wrong with having a two back system, as long as it works!

And I do believe the zone blocking system needs to be buried. Let Solari coach what he knows, and get us back to power blocking with some big strong linemen with a nasty streak. It never stopped working for him elsewhere, so why are we trying to reinvent the wheel with inferior talent?!

I meant J-Stew type back--Stewart has years left on his contract and surely wont be traded for anything less than the world.

Check these numbers out:

163 carries, 602 yards, 3.7 average, 2 TDs
104 carries, 545 yards, 5.2 averate, 4 TDs

That's right: Jones on top, Forsett numbers below.

Now for RB receiving:

34 receptions for 229 yards, 6.74 avg, 2 TDs
39 receptions for 336 yards, 8.62 avg, 1 TD

In all, Jones has averaged 4.22 yards per touch, while Forsett 6.16.

Those numbers are comparable in total carries and game situations. So why is Jones even playing? And why should he ever be resigned?

...has to do with coaching decisions. Mora has made a mess of bad ones, and using the RBs available to him is just one blaring example.

As far as the draft goes, while Spiller is an amazing possibility, there is another guy that might be a better complement for Forsett, and he will be cheaper (drafting Spiller would probably require Seattle to use its top pick): Ryan Mathews from Fresno State.

Both first round picks (IMHO) should be dedicated to the O-Line and D-line (in that order). The only exception would be if Eric Berry falls to Seattle (every mock I have seen has him going somewhere between #2 and #5, so doubtful).

The top rated OT is Russell Okung, and he looks to be a good fit, if he falls to Seattle's pick. The top DE is Derrick Morgan, and he looks to be a good fit for Seattle as well. If Denver doesn't make the playoffs (fingers crossed) it's even conceivable that Seattle can draft both of these guys, and maybe get Mathews at the top of the second. If not, I would look for the best safety in the second, and it looks like a number of them might be good possibilties.

I understand the love for Hass has blinded most fans (I am a huge fan myself), but come on do we need anymore proof that he is either 1. deteriorated and done or 2. Simply a system QB that flourished under Holmgren's leadership. take your pick it really doesn't matter both spell that it's time for change at QB for the Hawks.

For those out there hating on Hass, I remember an interesting graphic from the last game.
Pass plays attempted: 20
Quarterback hurries: 8
Quarterback hits: 8(!)
Quarterback sacks: 1
That's 17 out of 20 plays where Hass didn't really have a chance, and 9 out of 20 where he got clobbered. If a QB is ending up on the turf 45% of the time, there's NO WAY he can play a decent game. Look at any other offense. When the QB drops back, he's got an area about 3 yds on a side where the O line is protecting him, and he can move around. In football parlance, that's called a "pocket". That's the size of a small bedroom for him to move in. Now look at a Hawks pass play. As soon as Hass gets the snap, he's got to watch to be sure he's not stepping on O linemen who are backpedaling furiously. The space around him is about 3 feet square. That's the size of a small shower stall, and to complicate matters further, D linemen are reaching through trying to swat the ball away.
Now, I don't know that Hass ISN'T done, but there's no way to tell when the poor bastard has no room to play football. The few times he's actually had a bit of a pocket, he's done fine, so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. (although I admit the possibility that the ghastly situation that he's playing may have affected him psychologically, and he's been ruined, a la David Carr, but I'm inclined to doubt it)
Oh, and fyi, the other side of the graphic I mentioned showed the Packers first 20 pass plays...

Pass plays attempted: 20
Quarterback hurries: 2
Quarterback hits: 2
Quarterback sacks: 1
And the Pack doesn't have much of a line, and Rodgers holds the ball too long...

Honestly, how can you blame Hass when he's got to deal with these conditions? (I don't hold the players on the line wholly responsible either.) The system is completely useless, and when you combine that with a slightly above average receiving corps (who don't believe in the system) a below average line (who don't believe in the system) and a group of below average RB's (who don't believe in the system) then the QB (who doesn't believe in the system) is completely screwed. When the QB is screwed, the team is screwed, and they all know it.

Mora keeps harping on "there's no lack of effort here". For that to be the case, one of two OTHER things has to be true: 1)The team has absolutely no talent whatsoever (Housh, Burly, Carlson, Hass, Forsett, Unger, Willis, Locklear (at RT) all have at least decent talent) or 2)the system and/or coaching is completely abysmal.

Which do you believe?

Im with you Nightwulf.

I think Tom FLores missed coaching so bad, he abducted Jim Mora and has been coaching in his stead wearing a full-body Halloween Costume Jim Mora rubber body. (Wait, didnt Flores die?! He must have come back from the dead...along with Frankenstein who is impersonating Greg Knapp, who right this minute is in Al Davis' secret underground dungeon....)

you forgot to mention WRs falling down or not battling for the ball.

Other members of the offense are at least partially responsible for about half of Matt's INTs the past couple games. A fact the haters either dismiss outright or conveniently ignore in their zeal to make another 'Beck joke.

There are so many problems with this team, on both sides of the ball. The entire concept has problems. I'm really tired of hearing that the defense is built to be fast, athletic and create turnovers to give the ball to the offense so they can play the ball control game. Sounds perfect, but when your offense can't control anything all you end up with is a bunch of fast, athletic guys who are on the field entirely too long and get worn down by the bigger, slower guys on the other team.

For my money this team started down a slippery slope the day it got creative and let Steve Hutchinson slip away to Minnesota. The O-line hasn't been the same since and this year's version is just lame.

Rebuilding has to start in the trenches. It's tempting to want to go get a game breaking WR or RB, or a stud QB. Their effectiveness will be diminished playing behind a substandard line.

Maybe the new GM will point things in a positive direction. Wasn't long ago that the Mariners were laughing stock as well, and that new front office seems to be making moves. It may not be perfect but at least you can look at it and say they're doing SOMETHING! It's all over the media that the Hawks are not giving up and are continuing to fight...and when you find it necessary to put that in the media, that's a glaring statement that your team HAS given up.

I am not blaming Hass for the failure of this team just simply stating the obvious. He is done and way to many fans are blinded by the fact that he has been great for the hawks (I am a huge fan myself). But top tier teams don't hold on to wore out fading QB's.

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